Shooting at the courthouse

[Conan71]

Simple crossfire incident.  No need to over-analyze it.  Dealing with large bollards and round cement planters there is multiple opportunities for ricochet, and no way for an officer to know where that shot will wind up.  A solid round object can deflect a bullet or a fragment by as much as 45 degrees.

No, it's a conspiracy.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Simple crossfire incident.  No need to over-analyze it.  Dealing with large bollards and round cement planters there is multiple opportunities for ricochet, and no way for an officer to know where that shot will wind up.  A solid round object can deflect a bullet or a fragment by as much as 45 degrees.

Or even put it right back in your face if unlucky enough.

[shadows]

The person who keeps loading those rounds like the ones furnished to Kennedy's assassin, that are radio controlled, moving in a shield of an absolute vacuum, not subject to the laws of astronomy with earth constant movement, defying the laws of physics, must be stopped or no one will be secure.             

[Hoss]

The person who keeps loading those rounds like the ones furnished to Kennedy's assassin, that are radio controlled, moving in a shield of an absolute vacuum, not subject to the laws of astronomy with earth constant movement, defying the laws of physics, must be stopped or no one will be secure.             

Holy cow.  I can't believe I read that all the way through without going blind from a headache.

[Red Arrow]

Holy cow.  I can't believe I read that all the way through without going blind from a headache.

I thought that was a result of something else.

[Hoss]

I thought that was a result of something else.

Nope, Santorum won't allow me that.

[ZYX]

ZYX, that raises some interesting ironies. We pass legislation to make concealed carry and open carry to supposedly give us more protection from crazies and criminals. And, we are so afraid of gun rights being curtailed by unknown sinister elements that a mentally deranged man is able to obtain a gun and openly carry it into a public plaza. Then, with your rationale that anyone who discharges said gun in public needs to be immediately shot, we close the circle. Does this seem weird to anyone else?

Why even bother with non lethal weapons then? This crazy never even pointed the gun at anyone yet he must be shot. I don't for a minute criticize the officers involved. They responded with force in a critical situation with high tension and with current training and protocol. But, the guy was sitting down and obviously less of a threat by the time they shot him. The only injuries sustained were likely from the officers guns.

Those of you who think that drivers should be retested/recertified regularly, like aircraft pilots, to protect public safety, how do you feel about recertifying gun owners?

Sorry Aqua Man, I didn't see this. I'll respond when it's not one in the morning.

[AquaMan]

Sorry Aqua Man, I didn't see this. I'll respond when it's not one in the morning.

Be sure to note Custo's responses a little later on.

I mostly just feel that in our zest to protect our gun rights against imaginary political forces that are assumed to be fascist in nature, that we are putting ourselves at more risk by putting guns in the hands of an untrained, uneducated, unenlightened, unstable population.

Wow. Did I just say that about my fellow countrymen?! Okay, maybe just the Santorum states.

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Holy cow.  I can't believe I read that all the way through without going blind from a headache.

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That goes to show you that in Darwin study on evolution, among all physical creatures the brain is in constant development to where it adapts to all situations without pain.

[AquaMan]

No Pain? Are you sure? I have sure felt some severe headaches from trying to adapt.

[patric]

I mostly just feel that in our zest to protect our gun rights against imaginary political forces that are assumed to be fascist in nature, that we are putting ourselves at more risk by putting guns in the hands of an untrained, uneducated, unenlightened, unstable population.

I doubt that politicians (elected or otherwise) that oppose gun ownership are imaginary, as much as I doubt some depressed person couldn't sit on a bench in front of a police station brandishing a butter knife to hasten their demise.

Im a little more worried about the ratio of 2 unintended targets for 1 legitimate.

[AquaMan]

I doubt that politicians (elected or otherwise) that oppose gun ownership are imaginary, as much as I doubt some depressed person couldn't sit on a bench in front of a police station brandishing a butter knife to hasten their demise.

Im a little more worried about the ratio of 2 unintended targets for 1 legitimate.

Is there an organization as large and forceful as the NRA who opposes gun ownership? There may be some politicians who oppose unrestricted gun ownership but they are hardly the force that the Santorum states think they are.

Even well trained military end up shooting each other. If you don't like those 2:1 odds support some sort of ongoing training for gun owners. I support gun ownership yet I also believe anything that damaging to other people begs for rational treatment.

Simple question: How many of these gun zealots do you think has actually had a gun aimed at them or had shots fired at them? It gives you a different perspective. When you know the guy on the trigger end is stupid, untrained or mentally deranged you suddenly see the issues differently. It galvanizes your opinion for or against restrictions.

[shadows]

New story out on the shooting.  Those surveillance cameras should be purged.  That may have been a Thompson  machine gun.

The shooter was a good shot to have shot the gun out of officer's hand.

[patric]

Seriously, they are giving themselves medals for this clusterfu@k:


The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office will hold an awards ceremony recognizing employees for their heroic acts during the courthouse shooting that took place on March 7, 2012.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Tulsa-County-Sheriff-Deputies-honored-for/M1oOFXdpTUmlc9AnBNhjyA.cspx
The ceremony will be held at the Tulsa County Courthouse on Thursday and will recognize the following outstanding employees in the categories of:

Purple Heart
Deputy David Adam Fortenberry

Medal of Valor
Deputy David Adam Fortenberry
Corporal Dennis Miller
Deputy Stephen Culley

Meritorious Service
Captain Larry Merchant
Sergeant Judy Pounds
Deputy David Pool
Deputy Brandon Montgomery
CSO Tammy Johnson
CSO Marjorie Mears
CSO Betty Allen
OHP Trooper Shilo Hall


Letters of Commendation
Detention Officer Brandon Johnson
Sara Gadd
Patti O'Donnell
Kim Watson


Wow...

[Conan71]

So you would have rather they had done nothing?

I could picture it now, lone nut kills five civilians and you'd then blame it on the cops and TCSD for not intercepting him sooner.