Coming soon to a gas station near you!

[nathanm]

Yes, the state security apparatus is running amok. Weird that we're saying that about the US over 20 years on from the collapse of the Soviet Union. [insert something about the banality of evil here]

[Conan71]

Personally, I think red light cams would be a great idea since no one seems interested in enforcing traffic safety now other than writing citations AFTER a crash.

[patric]

Personally, I think red light cams would be a great idea since no one seems interested in enforcing traffic safety now other than writing citations AFTER a crash.

Either our priorities have changed, or our expectations have.
I can remember when police would be assigned to shopping centers every Christmas to help direct traffic.
Nowadays, they are still there, just not directing traffic.

ALPR surveillance cameras are not the same as red light cameras (which are notorious for increasing rear-end collisions) and are not nearly as effective at increasing traffic safety as are improving sight lines at intersections, lengthening yellow lights or using all-red delays in which all lights at an intersection simultaneously go red for a time.

[Conan71]

Either our priorities have changed, or our expectations have.
I can remember when police would be assigned to shopping centers every Christmas to help direct traffic.
Nowadays, they are still there, just not directing traffic.

ALPR surveillance cameras are not the same as red light cameras (which are notorious for increasing rear-end collisions) and are not nearly as effective at increasing traffic safety as are improving sight lines at intersections, lengthening yellow lights or using all-red delays in which all lights at an intersection simultaneously go red for a time.

Inattentive drivers cause rear end collisions, not ALPR cams.

[nathanm]

Inattentive drivers cause rear end collisions, not ALPR cams.

Red light cameras cause some people to behave in unexpected ways, increasing danger for everybody.

[Red Arrow]

Inattentive drivers cause rear end collisions, not ALPR cams.

Given that we cannot even pass laws intended to prevent inattentive driving, we better make it so even inattentive drivers don't cause rear end collisions.

[Conan71]

Red light cameras cause some people to behave in unexpected ways, increasing danger for everybody.

So do smart phones, lipstick, small children, vibrators, and chainsaws.

IMO, I see more and more people driving like complete assholes these days because, other than crashing, there's no recourse for their actions.

[Gaspar]

. . .far more. . .far more.  Chances are you have been "tokenized."

Several retailers use advanced camera systems for marketing, predictive usage based inventory management, and the development of store layout and merchandising.  

So smile when you enter and exit, because you're not only on camera, but you are also getting the distance between all of your facial features measured and chances are you have a special number.  

[Hoss]

So do smart phones, lipstick, small children, vibrators, and chainsaws.

IMO, I see more and more people driving like complete assholes these days because, other than crashing, there's no recourse for their actions.

Yep..watching people merge into traffic on 169 while on their cell phone is my biggest pet peeve.  I've even gotten out of the habit of using the bluetooth unless necessary and either stopped on a side road or at a moment in my driving where my attention is driving straight ahead, and not worrying about an exit or merging onto lanes of traffic.

[nathanm]

IMO, I see more and more people driving like complete assholes these days because, other than crashing, there's no recourse for their actions.

I haven't really noticed an increase in stupid driving, just the same old stupid driving only now with a cell phone instead of a newspaper or whatever. Of course, looking at the stats shows that crashes are actually trending downward in Oklahoma.

[sauerkraut]

Red light cameras cause some people to behave in unexpected ways, increasing danger for everybody.

Yes, they also cause many more accidents. Red light cameras are popping up all over. Oklahoma is lucky not to have 'em, they nail many innocent people who stop for the red light too far up front, or who make legal right turns on red lights. Columbus, Ohio is installing them all over from what I hear. They also have "speed cameras" in some states like Illinois, go a bit over a low set speed limit you get a ticket in the mail.

[dbacks fan]

Yes, they also cause many more accidents. Red light cameras are popping up all over. Oklahoma is lucky not to have 'em, they nail many innocent people who stop for the red light too far up front, or who make legal right turns on red lights. Columbus, Ohio is installing them all over from what I hear. They also have "speed cameras" in some states like Illinois, go a bit over a low set speed limit you get a ticket in the mail.

You truly have no clue how a redlight camera system works.

[nathanm]

You truly have no clue how a redlight camera system works.

He may not know how they work, but there are in fact documented instances of photo enforcement cameras triggering when they shouldn't. Presumably there are fewer instances these days, but I don't actually know because I haven't paid too much attention to them lately.

[dbacks fan]

He may not know how they work, but there are in fact documented instances of photo enforcement cameras triggering when they shouldn't. Presumably there are fewer instances these days, but I don't actually know because I haven't paid too much attention to them lately.

I know that they do malfunction, but I was refering to his other comments about them being wrong, like a right on red.

About half way down the page........

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=12510.30

[custosnox]

Yes, they also cause many more accidents. Red light cameras are popping up all over. Oklahoma is lucky not to have 'em, they nail many innocent people who stop for the red light too far up front, or who make legal right turns on red lights. Columbus, Ohio is installing them all over from what I hear. They also have "speed cameras" in some states like Illinois, go a bit over a low set speed limit you get a ticket in the mail.

explain how they cause more accidents?  If your obeying the law and not running lights there should be less accidents.  Or do you have a source that you can cite for this phenomenon?