"If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon."

[Teatownclown]

Parents of murdered British students criticise Barack Obama
The parents of two British students murdered in Florida have criticised President Barack Obama for his lack of compassion over their son's deaths.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

His failure to respond to three letters sent to the White House was because there was no "political value" and not worthy of a few minutes of his time.

They spoke out as teenager Shawn Tyson began a life sentence after being found guilty of the murder of James Cooper and James Kouzaris last April.

The 17 year old, who shot the men as they begged for their lives, will die in prison.

His conviction of first degree murder carries an mandatory life sentence without the chance of parole.

The powerfully built teen even looked bored as emotional DVD presentations about the dead men prepared by their grieving parents were shown in court.

Just to clarify, Obama did not bring the subject up regarding Martin's death. He was asked about it and responded in a diplomatic manner while having a rose garden presentation at the White House. This is just another example of twisting truth with false equivalency.

Then we have George Zimmerman's Daddy, Robert, coming forward condemning Obama, a week later, saying ""I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP."  

Hard to comprehend this attitude and disrespect for our country until you realize this is the schmuck that raised George Zimmerman.

And Guido (GG), you need to watch more Fox News: http://www.examiner.com/liberal-in-baltimore/orlando-s-fox-news-gives-judge-zimmerman-a-platform-to-lie-for-his-son

[dbacks fan]

You are demented....I don't label. Except when it involves ....

It's so obvious what you stand for. I prefer to be fluid and flexible.

So you are like Bob Dole without Viagra.

[Gaspar]

If they're on the other side of the door, they haven't kicked it in. Lest you forget, it could be the cops serving a no-knock warrant on the wrong house.

As far as the ease of kicking in doors, yes, I'm quite aware. That's why I said that if Gaspar thinks that there actually is such a threat then he should consider reinforcing his jambs. With a good solid door and steel-reinforced jambs, nobody's coming through without a battering ram, and even then it will take a while.

Interestingly enough, that's one of the scenarios used in Oklahoma gun safety classes.  It has actually played out several times already in Oklahoma.

It's always a good idea to announce that you have a gun and you tell them to stop.  In our case that is typically accompanied by the crack of a militarized 12 gauge loaded with deer slugs.  Our front door is glass in a decretive pattern with steel mullions, the jam is reinforced, however we would still choose not to rely on that.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Parents of murdered British students criticise Barack Obama
The parents of two British students murdered in Florida have criticised President Barack Obama for his lack of compassion over their son's deaths.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

His failure to respond to three letters sent to the White House was because there was no "political value" and not worthy of a few minutes of his time.

They spoke out as teenager Shawn Tyson began a life sentence after being found guilty of the murder of James Cooper and James Kouzaris last April.

The 17 year old, who shot the men as they begged for their lives, will die in prison.

His conviction of first degree murder carries an mandatory life sentence without the chance of parole.

The powerfully built teen even looked bored as emotional DVD presentations about the dead men prepared by their grieving parents were shown in court.

Now that you mention it, I didn't get my phone call or mention of anybody in my family that has died or been killed. 

[Conan71]

If you shoot someone through a door who isn't shooting at you, you should go to jail for terminal stupidity. Seeing something in a movie doesn't make it a good idea out here in the real world.

By the way, if that's a serious concern for you, I strongly recommend you reinforce your door jambs so you can feel secure in the knowledge that you have plenty of time to call the police and they have plenty of time to arrive to stop the forced entry before it becomes an entry. It's not that expensive unless you have to replace the door because your existing one is a piece of junk. It's a lot better than shooting your neighbor's kid who was pounding on your door for whatever reason.

This scenario played out at my neighbor's house across the street about 19 years ago, long before I'd moved into the 'hood.  At the time, he was married to the daughter of a TPD officer, and my neighbor is an avid outdoorsman so she had been trained in the use of guns.  They also trained her older children in the use of guns.

One afternoon in the middle of July a man and his female accomplice kicked in the front door of the house.  The children ran to a bedroom and locked the door.  As soon as that door knob began to rattle, the oldest of the children (13 or 14 at the time IIRC) fired a .357 through the door and center-punched the intruder in the chest.  The intruder staggered back out the front door and dropped dead in the front yard.

Should this child, or even if it had been an adult, be arrested and imprisoned for this act of self-defense?  Should Custosnox been arrested for shooting at the POS who was attempting to kick in his door or simply open the door for the potential intruder and welcome him in before firing?

Since you think it's such a great idea for everyone to stand trial if they kill someone while exercising their Constitutional and otherwise legal rights to protect themselves, how about everyone who is involved in a fatal car crash should go on trial?  How would that work for you if you ran over and killed a bicyclist who darted out in front of your car?  I mean, hey, even though the cops and the DA determine it's just an unfortunate accident and the cyclist was stupid for darting out in front of you it's probably a good idea to put you through the stress and expense of a trial just so 12 of your peers can be in agreement with the police and the DA that yes, in fact, you were operating your car legally but someone else ran in front of you leading to his death.

Please explain how that's any different then some dumbshit wielding a knife in the Promenade parking lot ending up with a fatal case of lead poisoning.  He was just as stupid as the cyclist in the above example and essentially got in the way of someone else legally minding their business.

You are grossly mistaken if you think SYG emboldens people or leads to a wild west mentality.  The majority of people who are armed for purposes of self defense realize what a serious responsibility it is.  If they act outside the laws of reasonable self-defense they will pay the price (at least those who have gone through proper CCL training and anyone with common sense).  If I ever find my self in a situation where I had to exercise that right, I don't know that I'd ever be 100% okay knowing I ended someone else's life, but at least I'd still be alive and not another victim.  Criminals knowing there's the potential that the citizen they are going after may be able to overpower them or simply aim and fire is a proven deterrent.

Just to clarify, Obama did not bring the subject up regarding Martin's death. He was asked about it and responded in a diplomatic manner while having a rose garden presentation at the White House. This is just another example of twisting truth with false equivalency.

Yes, because we all know that questions are never seeded at pressers with the prez.

[Cats Cats Cats]

This scenario played out at my neighbor's house across the street about 19 years ago, long before I'd moved into the 'hood.  At the time, he was married to the daughter of a TPD officer, and my neighbor is an avid outdoorsman so she had been trained in the use of guns.  They also trained her older children in the use of guns.

One afternoon in the middle of July a man and his female accomplice kicked in the front door of the house.  The children ran to a bedroom and locked the door.  As soon as that door knob began to rattle, the oldest of the children (13 or 14 at the time IIRC) fired a .357 through the door and center-punched the intruder in the chest.  The intruder staggered back out the front door and dropped dead in the front yard.

Should this child, or even if it had been an adult, be arrested and imprisoned for this act of self-defense?  Should Custosnox been arrested for shooting at the POS who was attempting to kick in his door or simply open the door for the potential intruder and welcome him in before firing?

Since you think it's such a great idea for everyone to stand trial if they kill someone while exercising their Constitutional and otherwise legal rights to protect themselves, how about everyone who is involved in a fatal car crash should go on trial?  How would that work for you if you ran over and killed a bicyclist who darted out in front of your car?  I mean, hey, even though the cops and the DA determine it's just an unfortunate accident and the cyclist was stupid for darting out in front of you it's probably a good idea to put you through the stress and expense of a trial just so 12 of your peers can be in agreement with the police and the DA that yes, in fact, you were operating your car legally but someone else ran in front of you leading to his death.

Please explain how that's any different then some dumbshit wielding a knife in the Promenade parking lot ending up with a fatal case of lead poisoning.  He was just as stupid as the cyclist in the above example and essentially got in the way of someone else legally minding their business.

You are grossly mistaken if you think SYG emboldens people or leads to a wild west mentality.  The majority of people who are armed for purposes of self defense realize what a serious responsibility it is.  If they act outside the laws of reasonable self-defense they will pay the price (at least those who have gone through proper CCL training and anyone with common sense).  If I ever find my self in a situation where I had to exercise that right, I don't know that I'd ever be 100% okay knowing I ended someone else's life, but at least I'd still be alive and not another victim.  Criminals knowing there's the potential that the citizen they are going after may be able to overpower them or simply aim and fire is a proven deterrent.

Yes, because we all know that questions are never seeded at pressers with the prez.

Cmon Conan.. Obviously if they are inside your house it is different than on the porch.  (unless you were referring it always being stupid shooting through a door). These laws are there for a reason, and they should exist.  However, shooting people for knocking on your door.    Jahovah's Witness or not isn't right.  Is somebody trying to open my front door at night trying to rob me?  Probably.. So get the gun, call the cops, be prepared.   It could just be a very very drunk person who went to the wrong house or your kid surprising you from college early.

[Gaspar]

Well this should put everything in perspective.  Apparently Zimmerman was working with the police in a conspiracy to steal Trayvon's organs.

[DolfanBob]

Ok now wait a minute. Shooting before screaming "Who the f*ck is it" just doesnt make sense.
If you shoot first without warning then your a dumba$$ and shouldnt have a fire arm.

Just like a buddy of mine said. As he did the old "Klik Klak" of his sawed off shotgun. Thats Universal language. Your intruder might not speak English.
That goes along with the "Beware of Dog" sign. Get one with a picture of a mean dog. Your burglar may not be able to read.

[Conan71]

Cmon Conan.. Obviously if they are inside your house it is different than on the porch.  (unless you were referring it always being stupid shooting through a door). These laws are there for a reason, and they should exist.  However, shooting people for knocking on your door.    Jahovah's Witness or not isn't right.  Is somebody trying to open my front door at night trying to rob me?  Probably.. So get the gun, call the cops, be prepared.   It could just be a very very drunk person who went to the wrong house or your kid surprising you from college early.

Neither one of my daughters would kick in my front door in the middle of the night coming home from college to surprise me.  I'm also not aware of there being a rash of people being shot for knocking on front doors.  The door is wood framed with a full glass center panel so I can see who is on the porch.  Same with the two rear doors.

And hell no I wouldn't fire without first doing a quick assessment of what was going on at the front door if the handle were jiggling.  Nor would I even grab my gun just because someone knocked on the door.  If someone is jiggling the knob and trying to insert a key in the lock, it's obvious they are at the wrong house and I would advise them as such and that they need to leave the premises immediately.  If, after that warning, they proceeded to kick or otherwise force the door open, I'll call 911, but I'm sure as hell not waiting five minutes for the cops to show up, nor am I going to invite my intruder in for a cup of tea and chat about his/her messed up childhood while we wait for the cops to show up.  They've crossed the line when they attempt to forcibly open the door after being advised they are at the wrong house and that the owner/occupant is armed.

[Red Arrow]

Neither one of my daughters would kick in my front door in the middle of the night coming home from college to surprise me.

My parents gave me a key.  I also had a key to my aunt's house when my family moved out here but I went back to school and while I was in the Navy.  No need to kick down doors.

[DolfanBob]

My parents gave me a key.  I also had a key to my aunt's house when my family moved out here but I went back to school and while I was in the Navy.  No need to kick down doors.

Wow. Sounds like a trust issue. Good for you.

[Gaspar]

Neither one of my daughters would kick in my front door in the middle of the night coming home from college to surprise me.  I'm also not aware of there being a rash of people being shot for knocking on front doors.  The door is wood framed with a full glass center panel so I can see who is on the porch.  Same with the two rear doors.

And hell no I wouldn't fire without first doing a quick assessment of what was going on at the front door if the handle were jiggling.  Nor would I even grab my gun just because someone knocked on the door.  If someone is jiggling the knob and trying to insert a key in the lock, it's obvious they are at the wrong house and I would advise them as such and that they need to leave the premises immediately.  If, after that warning, they proceeded to kick or otherwise force the door open, I'll call 911, but I'm sure as hell not waiting five minutes for the cops to show up, nor am I going to invite my intruder in for a cup of tea and chat about his/her messed up childhood while we wait for the cops to show up.  They've crossed the line when they attempt to forcibly open the door after being advised they are at the wrong house and that the owner/occupant is armed.

I'm a busy man.  If they are kicking and not responding to auditory warnings, they are getting shot.  I'm not going to chat them up or invite them in for a tickle-fight, nor is anyone else in my family.  

Instead of posting a sign with the image of a vicious dog, I may entertain the idea of posting a sign showing a man getting a hole blown in him for kicking in a door.  I'll have to work on that graphic.

[Conan71]

I'm a busy man.  If they are kicking and not responding to auditory warnings, they are getting shot.  I'm not going to chat them up or invite them in for a tickle-fight, nor is anyone else in my family.  

Instead of posting a sign with the image of a vicious dog, I may entertain the idea of posting a sign showing a man getting a hole blown in him for kicking in a door.  I'll have to work on that graphic.

Send me a copy when you are done. 

I'm afraid someone might not be able to read: "There's nothing in this house worth dying for" so a universal graphic would be nice

[Breadburner]

I just poured some beer for my hoodie....

[Red Arrow]

Send me a copy when you are done. 

I'm afraid someone might not be able to read: "There's nothing in this house worth dying for" so a universal graphic would be nice

What you and Gasper are forgetting is Federally mandated safety in the workplace laws.  If a person's chosen career is to break down doors, rob and beat or kill people, you have no right to make that dangerous for them.

The proper way to handle it is to allow them to break down your door, kill your wife, rape your daughter, beat you to a critical condition and safely leave.  Then call the cops and let them take care of it.