Why Does What We Hear Not Match What We Feel?

[Teatownclown]

So Conan, you're voting for Mitt? Explain why we should follow your lead.

[Conan71]

So Conan, you're voting for Mitt? Explain why we should follow your lead.

Actually, I was just indulging our old buddy Ruf.  But since you axed:

I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet.  I've voted for many Democrats over the years, just never in a presidential election, though it's not beyond me to consider voting for one if I thought he/she were the best candidate.

If Obama reveals a raft of sane and workable energy policies which will benefit my industry, I'd be stupid not to listen and vote accordingly, especially if it looks like it would benefit my personal plan to retire in 5 to 7 years.  

Naturally, the war drums from the right wing talking heads are that as a lame duck, Obama can finally unleash the rest of his socialist doctrine on us.  I think Obama's approach to the economy has been a complete disaster.  That said, a free market economy can prosper because of a leader or in spite of a leader.  I think we will see improvement in the economy over the next four years regardless who is in the WH.

I've still got seven months to decide.  I want to hear each candidate's plan to reduce joblessness, energy plans, and debt & deficit once they are going toe-to-toe.  Not the primary BS that is going on right now still.  Oh, and if Romney picks Sanctimonious Santorum for Veep?  That might be an automatic vote for Obama.

[nathanm]

Interesting times, eh, Conan?

[custosnox]

Interesting times, eh, Conan?

Thinking someone will find what they are looking for?

[heironymouspasparagus]

If Obama reveals a raft of sane and workable energy policies which will benefit my industry, I'd be stupid not to listen and vote accordingly, especially if it looks like it would benefit my personal plan to retire in 5 to 7 years.  

Naturally, the war drums from the right wing talking heads are that as a lame duck, Obama can finally unleash the rest of his socialist doctrine on us.  I think Obama's approach to the economy has been a complete disaster.  That said, a free market economy can prosper because of a leader or in spite of a leader.  I think we will see improvement in the economy over the next four years regardless who is in the WH.

The people who you should be questioning about why your industry is not benefiting from $100+ oil are the leaders of that industry.  (You are still in one that depends on the oil industry aren't you?)


Actually, any slowdown in oil or oil services and related industries is more due to the glut of oil products we have at this time.  Crude and refined products are at near record highs.  And yet, the price is going up.  Anyone out there still believe it is NOT a contrived rise based on out of control speculation? 

[AquaMan]

I for one am not so sure of your argument. When I worked in the industry during the first oil crisis, there were similar things happening. As consumers we watched in horror as the price of a barrel of oil rose and lines started to form at stations who didn't have any product to sell. As members of the industry we were elated to see the price rise, a chance to edit out some long time privately owned stations and replace them with our own stations. "Please God, give us another oil crisis. We won't screw it up this time".

The rumor was that we had tankers waiting out in the Gulf of Mexico waiting for gasl. to hit $2 gallon! It turned out to be true. But it wasn't because we were waiting for higher gasl. prices at the pump. We had a clusterfark going on with distribution channels, pipelines and refinery turnarounds. We were actually losing an opportunity to make some pretty good money because of our own incompetence!

[heironymouspasparagus]

I for one am not so sure of your argument. When I worked in the industry during the first oil crisis, there were similar things happening. As consumers we watched in horror as the price of a barrel of oil rose and lines started to form at stations who didn't have any product to sell. As members of the industry we were elated to see the price rise, a chance to edit out some long time privately owned stations and replace them with our own stations. "Please God, give us another oil crisis. We won't screw it up this time".

The rumor was that we had tankers waiting out in the Gulf of Mexico waiting for gasl. to hit $2 gallon! It turned out to be true. But it wasn't because we were waiting for higher gasl. prices at the pump. We had a clusterfark going on with distribution channels, pipelines and refinery turnarounds. We were actually losing an opportunity to make some pretty good money because of our own incompetence!

?  I was just commenting on Conan's comment about a raft of sane and workable energy policies... while Obama has no sane policy, he is just following the tradition with that.  As a nation, we just let the big oils do mostly what they want.

Having said that, part two is that his industry IS benefiting greatly from current oil prices, so by those criteria, he may be voting Obama next November....

This time, there are no tankers setting off the coast, just pipelines and storage tanks full to the brim.  And yet, due to the forces of speculation we are paying dramatically higher prices with no rationalization other than to make the situation distasteful for election time.

[Breadburner]

Do you or do you not agree with my assessment?

Is it any wonder people question your credibility around here?

Thats laughable...He's one of the most credible and inteligent posters here.....

[Hoss]

Thats laughable...He's one of the most credible and inteligent posters here.....

To you?  Not surprising.

He didn't answer my question in the preceding post, so he initiated a 'block'.  Why would you consider someone like that credible.  He rarely cites information up front, and when asked to, he hems and haws about it.

[RecycleMichael]

I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet.  I've voted for many Democrats over the years, just never in a presidential election, though it's not beyond me to consider voting for one if I thought he/she were the best candidate.

I am just the other side. I have never voted for a republican for national office but highly support many republicans for local and state offices.

I find many compelling things about Santorum. I truly think he would help the poor in America. I also like what Ron Paul says about military spending. But I doubt I could ever vote for either of them because of their other positions.

I could never vote for Romney. I think he represents everything I hate about politicians. He has no core values and has been on both sides of every issue. He says what ever he thinks will make him popular. He was pro-choice, then pro-life. He was against the assault weapons ban, then was for it a few years later. Romney was supportive of the stimulus package, then said he was against it. He campaigned for Governor in a democrat state saying he was opposed to the economic policies of Reagan, then while running for president as a republican, says Reagan's policies were correct. He has flat out lied about immigration saying he has never hired an illegal immigrant, then minutes later admits to hiring a lawn company that used them. He believed in global warming in June, then said he did not believe in it in October last year. He said he would never sign a no new tax pledge, then announced he was the only candidate to sign it. He was for the auto bailout, then decided he was against it.

I believe in the ability and need to change your mind. I think it is one of the most important aspects of critical thinking. Circumstances do change. But with Romney, I don't think he ever really has given any issue any thought. He just says what he thinks people want to hear and stands for nothing.

Romney is a wind vain pointing whichever way the wind blows. I want a president who wants to change the wind, not point it out.  

[Teatownclown]

I find many compelling things about Santorum. I truly think he would help the poor in America. I also like what Ron Paul says about military spending. But I doubt I could ever vote for either of them because of their other positions.

 

I think Frothy would throw the poor thingy over onto the private sector to deal with. Most likely outsource it to Churches and Synagogues (BUT NO MOSQUES! ). How do you get a voucher system installed to do that, I don't know.

Morning Joe says he doesn't find one major Republican who thinks Mitt has any chance.

Who is this guy Olson running against Sully? And doesn't Sully have a primary race? I think our focus should be on these other offices and outing the obstructionists. Lazy performance and little outcome should be the litmus test and not social issues.

If there were any women on this forum, we could discuss what they feel and what they hear....

[Conan71]

The people who you should be questioning about why your industry is not benefiting from $100+ oil are the leaders of that industry.  (You are still in one that depends on the oil industry aren't you?)


Actually, any slowdown in oil or oil services and related industries is more due to the glut of oil products we have at this time.  Crude and refined products are at near record highs.  And yet, the price is going up.  Anyone out there still believe it is NOT a contrived rise based on out of control speculation? 

I can make money off oil exploration, refining, and further processing.  I can also make money on bio-fuel plants.  Heck, even more restrictive emissions is a good thing for our business as people are forced to retrofit to cleaner-burning, much more expensive technology.

RM- Personally, I like a politician who shows flexibility and illustrates their views can evolve over the years for good reason.  In fact, I'd say it was a really good asset to have.  You make good points on Romney and certainly given me more reason to look closer at what has been behind his constantly evolving views. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

I can make money off oil exploration, refining, and further processing.  I can also make money on bio-fuel plants.  Heck, even more restrictive emissions is a good thing for our business as people are forced to retrofit to cleaner-burning, much more expensive technology.

RM- Personally, I like a politician who shows flexibility and illustrates their views can evolve over the years for good reason.  In fact, I'd say it was a really good asset to have.  You make good points on Romney and certainly given me more reason to look closer at what has been behind his constantly evolving views. 

Absolutely!!  And business is booming right now!  You are so busy you don't know what to do about it all! 

And if you are not, then there is something seriously wrong, because everybody else is.