3 dead, 2 injured in series of shootings

[nathanm]

It sounds like the easiest way to keep out of this guy's line of fire is to not be a black person walking around in north Tulsa. 

[patric]

They news media has followed similar cases and the DC sniper was one of them.

Im not seeing how this would be similar to the DC sniper.  Sort of an apples/oranges comparison.

The press conference urge people to not jump to conclusions, yet they name the task force "Operation Random Shooter."

[nathanm]

The press conference urge people to not jump to conclusions, yet they name the task force "Operation Random Shooter."

You'd prefer something like Operation TERMITE BLUE?

[ZYX]

This is now a world wide story. Check just about any news outlet and it's one of their top stories.

[SXSW]

Front page news on BBC and news media outlets from Japan to Australia.  Hopefully the shooter is caught and there is no "retaliation" from the black community in Tulsa.

[dbacks fan]

Im not seeing how this would be similar to the DC sniper.  Sort of an apples/oranges comparison.

The press conference urge people to not jump to conclusions, yet they name the task force "Operation Random Shooter."

It is similar to the DC sniper and both of the serial shooter/killers in Phoenix in the fact that they are shooting people by opportunity, and targeting people in specific situations. The Baseline Killer in Phoenix lured victims to himself and then raped and murdered them, Dale Hausner and Sam Dieteman deliberately targeted people to shoot and kill based on the fact that they were walking away from them because they did not want to see the faces of the people they killed. What may seem random is actually a pattern of the way they operate. They choose to lure the victim by asking directions or some thing simple, or they choose the victim by opportunity. My point was is that it has become a recreational killing. With Dietman and Hausner, they started with animals, horses and pets and then graduated to people. The Baseline Killer, Mark Goudeau, chose his victims, by lureing them in. At the time in Phoenix, you had three serial killers that were commiting crimes as sport,

"They called it 'RV'ing.' Random Recreational Violence," Horton told The Associated Press in a 2006 interview. Horton died last year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/27/dale-hausner-phoenixs-ser_n_180225.html

As for Mark Goudeau,http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/11/30/20111130baseline-killer-mark-goudeau-sentenced.html

These people killed people by opportunity, and it became a sport to them. With both happening at the same time it was also found that they were keeping score as to who killed how many.

http://www.azcentral.com/search/index.php?catId=&aff=1100&searchkeyword=&searchcategory=*&cx=015840973018584549539%3A4mugrvjtm6k&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Dale+Hausner&address=

http://www.azcentral.com/search/index.php?aff=1100&cx=015840973018584549539%3A4mugrvjtm6k&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Mark+Guedeau

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/12/05/20111205judge-adds-years-goudeaus-jail-sentences.html

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/03/13/20090313hausner0313-ON.html?wired

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/01/07/20090107hausner0108-side.html

[TulsaRufnex]

It sounds like the easiest way to keep out of this guy's line of fire is to not be a black person walking around in north Tulsa.  

Conan writes a post spelling Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's names in $$ signs in..... 3.... 2.... 1....
Oh wait.  Missed page 1.   

[custosnox]

could this be a "retaliation" attack for the murder of one of the shooters fathers?

http://www.newson6.com/story/17359290/north-tulsa-shooter-arrested-two-years-after-fathers-murder

[Jammie]

could this be a "retaliation" attack for the murder of one of the shooters fathers?

http://www.newson6.com/story/17359290/north-tulsa-shooter-arrested-two-years-after-fathers-murder

Possibly, but it would take an already sick mind to seek revenge that way. Had his father been killed by a white person, would've he went out and targeted anyone who was white?

[Jammie]

Here's another sad thought. After their names were released early this morning, I was doing a search and it showed that Jacob England recently had a child with his g/f. According to the link you provided, she just passed on in January so now that little one has lost both parents.

[custosnox]

Here's another sad thought. After their names were released early this morning, I was doing a search and it showed that Jacob England recently had a child with his g/f. According to the link you provided, she just passed on in January so now that little one has lost both parents.

That is sad, if it is indeed the same person.  This might also have contributed to him going off the deep end.  Doesn't excuse anything, but might help explain it.

[Teatownclown]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=297&articleid=20120408_297_0_Tomnhv525414

Well, we won't know for certain until they are convicted. As I thought, our detective division is above par.

Kudos on a job well done by all those in the city/federal pr department, the TPD, and even those here despite the attacks on Sharpton and Jackson.

I have been getting emails from across the country wondering how backwoody Tulsa and Oklahoma have become over the years. I assured them this is no different than what goes on across the country in general.

IT'S OFFICIALLY A HATE CRIME! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003336116727&sk=wall

Wow...that link disappeared quickly....

[Red Arrow]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=297&articleid=20120408_297_0_Tomnhv525414

Well, we won't know for certain until they are convicted. As I thought, our detective division is above par.

Kudos on a job well done by all those in the city/federal pr department, the TPD, and even those here despite the attacks on Sharpton and Jackson.

I have been getting emails from across the country wondering how backwoody Tulsa and Oklahoma have become over the years. I assured them this is no different than what goes on across the country in general.

IT'S OFFICIALLY A HATE CRIME! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003336116727&sk=wall

I'm not on facebook so your link is not available.

Since all races are protected groups (per TNF posters), the only way it could not be a hate crime would be to somehow kill people in some kind of proportion to all the protected groups.  Say 10 whites, 3 blacks, ...

[Teatownclown]

Well, it was clear from his wall posts this freak hated blacks. And his victims were all black. And as much as the prosecutors will dislike submerging themselves into that aspect of our laws, it's a must.

btw, soon after a reporter for This Land Press came up with the link, it went poof! Disappeared.

try this: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/facebook-page-of-tulsa-shooting-suspect-my-dad-was-shot-by-a-f-king-n-r/

[patric]

Well, it was clear from his wall posts this freak hated blacks. And his victims were all black. And as much as the prosecutors will dislike submerging themselves into that aspect of our laws, it's a must.
btw, soon after a reporter for This Land Press came up with the link, it went poof! Disappeared.
try this: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/facebook-page-of-tulsa-shooting-suspect-my-dad-was-shot-by-a-f-king-n-r/

The senior England's (Carl) alleged killer was never brought to trial (black on white violence) so that probably was grating on him as the second anniversary of his father's death approached.
I cant remember any "we're coming for you" press conferences in that case, though.