Downtown stadium in the East End....

[TulsaRufnex]

....of Houston.... http://www.eecoc.org/

Dynamo break ground on new stadium
Saturday, February 05, 2011
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=7941132&pid=7941237

Take a walk through the Dynamo's new stadium
BBVA Compass is the latest shining jewel among the city's sports facilities
Chronicle
Updated 12:55 p.m., Wednesday, April 11, 2012
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Dynamo-stadium-walk-through-3474063.php#photo-2801063

http://bbvacompassstadium.com/

[Teatownclown]

Ruff....quit with the wild imagery....420 done come and gone. 

[jacobi]

That is a really ugly stadium.

[TheArtist]

   I would prefer it be somewhere else like on or by the OSU Tulsa campus.  The east end has the potential to be an extension of downtowns urban core and more of an urban neighborhood type area.  Putting an arena in this already small area would pretty much gut the core of that potential, and on top of that you know danged well they would put in a dozen huge parking garages instead of transit, which would further eat into any potential for real urban density in the area.

[Weatherdemon]

   I would prefer it be somewhere else like on or by the OSU Tulsa campus.  The east end has the potential to be an extension of downtowns urban core and more of an urban neighborhood type area.  Putting an arena in this already small area would pretty much gut the core of that potential, and on top of that you know danged well they would put in a dozen huge parking garages instead of transit, which would further eat into any potential for real urban density in the area.

Agreed.

[TulsaRufnex]

Agreed.

Not agreed.  

Apart from the precious few decently rehabbed buildings around 3rd St, the "East end/East village" area south of that is an eye-sore.  There is no "micro-hood" to refurbish... I just don't see residential there. Besides, if there is any place to concentrate on quality residential development, IMHO, it'd be on the other side of the IDL in the "Pearl District."  Bing Thom told us the IDL is "a noose," n'est-ce pas?  I think any ideas of new construction condo buildings in that area or rehabs of the not-historically significant Bill White/Nordham? buildings/lots is a money losing pipedream that creates a false narrative for a sparse area that seems lost in it's own decades-long time/space continuum....

Not that there'd be much chance for a sports stadium to be built in the near future, but any stadium/sports facility at the Evans fintube site would preclude fans from walking to the sites around Brady/Blue Dome.  I'd argue that part of the success of the new ballpark is it's walkable proximity to food/drink/entertainment options before and after the games...  

[swake]

Not agreed.  

Apart from the precious few decently rehabbed buildings around 3rd St, the "East end/East village" area south of that is an eye-sore.  There is no "micro-hood" to refurbish... I just don't see residential there. Besides, if there is any place to concentrate on quality residential development, IMHO, it'd be on the other side of the IDL in the "Pearl District."  Bing Thom told us the IDL is "a noose," n'est-ce pas?  I think any ideas of new construction condo buildings in that area or rehabs of the not-historically significant Bill White/Nordham? buildings/lots is a money losing pipedream that creates a false narrative for a sparse area that seems lost in it's own decades-long time/space continuum....

Not that there'd be much chance for a sports stadium to be built in the near future, but any stadium/sports facility at the Evans fintube site would preclude fans from walking to the sites around Brady/Blue Dome.  I'd argue that part of the success of the new ballpark is it's walkable proximity to food/drink/entertainment options before and after the games...  

Two years from now the East End will look very different. There's really no room for a stadium already.

[Red Arrow]

Two years from now the East End will look very different. There's really no room for a stadium already.

Ruff is like a government agency.  He won't be happy until we're not happy.

[TulsaRufnex]

Ruff is like a government agency.  He won't be happy until we're not happy.

Hardly.  You jerk.
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/lawmakers-target-historic-tax-credit-programs

I just get tired of a TulsaNow mentality that enjoys making the perfect the enemy of the good.
I'll believe it when I see it.... and the buildings in question that I see on that side of town hardly qualify as "historic."
 

[Red Arrow]

Hardly.  You jerk.

Oh gee, I must have hit a nerve.

[ZYX]

Hardly.  You jerk.
http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/lawmakers-target-historic-tax-credit-programs

I just get tired of a TulsaNow mentality that enjoys making the perfect the enemy of the good.
I'll believe it when I see it.... and the buildings in question that I see on that side of town hardly qualify as "historic."
 

Did you ignore the smiley?

However, I disagree with putting up "good enough." Yeah, I'd rather just wait til perfect comes around instead of putting up something that's just better than what's there now.

[Red Arrow]

Did you ignore the smiley?

I actually expected Ruff to ignore the smiley.  He may be correct in my opinion of him.  If he thinks I am a jerk, I consider it a compliment.

[TheArtist]

I wasn't thinking about old buildings in that area.  What I am looking at is how quickly the Brady Arts District began filling up.  Most of the spots there are now spoken for and under construction.  There is also a lot that will soon be going on in and around the Greenwood/Blue Dome areas and yes even a few things in the works for the East End.  The East End is the natural next area of growth as the Brady District etc. get filled up.  None of these areas are that large, they are quite small actually.  All of the East End together would barely, imo, be able to create one decent sized, urban neighborhood. With the park already going in there, likely some parking regardless, then add to that a large stadium and it's requisite parking garages... you have just put another big hole in another area of downtown (that yes is next to a highway that itself acts as another gap) making yet another section of downtown an unlikely candidate for any hoped for urban neighborhood of any critical mass or decent size.  The Brady District for instance is not going to be real urban neighborhood type area, the housing concentration potential is too spotty and there too are some gaps with the rail, the highway "unsavory developments" to the west, concert venues, etc.  People will live there yes, but it's not going to feel like a quiet urban neighborhood with block after block of urban housing.  Our downtown is very much an island and we are trying to squash into that tiny space a lot of things.  We have to be a little bit careful where we put stuff or we will stumble into further generations of mediocrity and missed opportunity to create something great.  The Pearl District people realize something like this as well.  A critical mass of pedestrian friendly "urbanness" is why they are pushing for a half mile segmet of the area to have Form Based Codes.  That's about the bare minimum size required to contain a functioning, coherent, mixed use "Urban Village" type area.  Any smaller than that and it wont work.  These things used to happen naturally, but in todays car centrict culture and zoning, you have to implement some things that will level the playing field and give pedestrian friendly, urban type developments a chance to get established and then grow without being slashed, gutted, and cut into small pieces at every turn. 

[DTowner]

For both practical and realistic reasons I would rather see the old Drillers staduim retrofitted for this use as a short-term solution.  Get a franchise, use Driller's stadium, build up a track record of success and then see if a downtown stadium makes good sense for the city. 

[LandArchPoke]

Just for comparison sake... I took the Houston Stadium site and put two boxes of similar size into the East Village and just look and what all it would take to tear down. The green area highlights the potential site of the Land Legacy urban park.





TulsaRufnex I probably want an MLS team in Tulsa just as bad as you, I grew up playing soccer here in town for Hurricane and remember going to games when the Roughneck team played at Victory Christian. The East Village is not the right site and honestly the only site that could probably handle an MLS stadium would be the Home Depot block, but they won't be tearing that down anytime soon. If we wanted a stadium I would rather it go in somewhere in the Pearl District (maybe the super block between Quincy and Rockford and 4th St and 5th Ct), the Fintube site, or even the West Bank and connect the stadium site to downtown via Streetcar or Light Rail.