Mitt Romney - prep school bully

[RecycleMichael]

You must be in some alternative universe. When I hear George Bush say that capturing Bin Laden isn't important to him, I assume he means capturing Bin Laden isn't important to him.

Carnac, put the envelope up to your head and explain what you think he meant.

[patric]

The people that suffered under his leadership wont vote for him.


BOSTON, Mass.—Don't bet on Mitt Romney winning his home state. Or even trying.

"That's not been a topic of discussion," Romney campaign adviser Kevin Madden said when asked if the Republican former Massachusetts governor would compete in the heavily Democratic state.

The fact that Romney likely cannot win Massachusetts -- and probably won't even try to -- illustrates the degree to which his currying favor with conservative Republicans in GOP presidential primaries has alienated the moderate base that launched his political career.

[heironymouspasparagus]

It was really directed to RM, but it applies equally to all those who honestly believe Bush wasn't interested in getting/killing bin Laden. Cripes, all we heard about Bush was that he was a warmonger, killer, etc., yet he had no interest in killing the one guy probably most deserving???

He wasn't interested in getting Bin Laden because he said he wasn't interested.  And because he acted toward his interests.

7:1.  The ratio interest in Saddam Hussein to the interest in Bin Laden.  The ratio of the effort spent during Bush's regime of Iraq compared to Afghanistan.

[Conan71]

You must be in some alternative universe. When I hear George Bush say that capturing Bin Laden isn't important to him, I assume he means capturing Bin Laden isn't important to him.

Carnac, put the envelope up to your head and explain what you think he meant.

I didn't take you for such a complete simpleton. 

"Deep in my heart I know [Osama bin Laden] is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match."

March 13, 2002 Press Conference at the The James S. Brady Briefing Room [34]"

[heironymouspasparagus]

I didn't take you for such a complete simpleton. 

"Deep in my heart I know [Osama bin Laden] is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match."

March 13, 2002 Press Conference at the The James S. Brady Briefing Room [34]"

Why didn't you go ahead and quote the rest of it??

Where he said he just doesn't think about it that much any more....

And how he said this one time...
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

And this about what...6 months later??   Ultimate flip flopper!
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[Conan71]

Why didn't you go ahead and quote the rest of it??

Where he said he just doesn't think about it that much any more....

And how he said this one time...
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

And this about what...6 months later??   Ultimate flip flopper!
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Pay attention much?  That's the quote your libtard friends are having such fun with.

He was making a simple point that the objectives of the WOT were much bigger than OBL.  Why waste the entire resources of our military trying to root out someone who was already heavily marginalized when we had car bombings, insurgencies, and other terrorist plots to thwart.  Instead of lying and saying we had our thumb on OBL, he stated the obvious.

Are you of this stupid mind-set that had Bush been presented with the sort of intel we had last may on OBL's whereabouts he would have passed on the raid because at some point that wasn't the highest priority of the admin?  Do you think finding OBL was really a daily priority of the Obama admin?  Your priorities ever change?

[Townsend]

What's Mitt up to today?

[Conan71]

What's Mitt up to today?

I heard he was photographed holding down an Irish Setter and cutting it's hair.

Then he drove off with a gay man strapped to the top of his SUV.

[Townsend]

I heard he was photographed holding down an Irish Setter and cutting it's hair.

Then he drove off with a gay man strapped to the top of his SUV.

Man, that cultist is just up to no good at all.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Why waste the entire resources of our military trying to root out someone who was already heavily marginalized when we had car bombings, insurgencies, and other terrorist plots to thwart.  Instead of lying and saying we had our thumb on OBL, he stated the obvious.

Are you of this stupid mind-set that had Bush been presented with the sort of intel we had last may on OBL's whereabouts he would have passed on the raid because at some point that wasn't the highest priority of the admin?  Do you think finding OBL was really a daily priority of the Obama admin?  Your priorities ever change?

Then why did we waste 7 times the resources (men, material, money) on going after Saddam Hussein - at exactly the same point in history - especially when Saddam was NOT the kind of threat that OBL had proven to be.  It was "we don't like him (SH) because we think he might try something" versus "we are gonna leave him alone - don't even care about him - in spite of the fact that he had done something more heinous than anyone else in the history of the country".   Nice rationalization there...


Bush regime HAD the intel from the get-go from Richard Clarke and the Clinton administration.  Everybody knew it then, and everybody knows it now, it just doesn't fit well in the alternate universe whirled view that Fox wants people to believe in.

[Red Arrow]

I heard he was photographed holding down an Irish Setter and cutting it's hair.
Then he drove off with a gay man strapped to the top of his SUV.

Wow, what a flip-flop.

[Red Arrow]

Bush regime HAD the intel from the get-go from Richard Clarke and the Clinton administration.  

So that's why Clinton didn't go get OBL, he wanted to blame it on Bush.

[heironymouspasparagus]

So that's why Clinton didn't go get OBL, he wanted to blame it on Bush.

He both wanted to and tried to.  And left the file with Bush when he left.  Did you watch that Chris Wallace interview, by the way?


Kind of like Jimmy taking the blame for the Iran hostage episode.  And the fact that he was the one that actually tried to do something about it.  With the military that Nixon had left him.  Gutted, demoralized, and in massive disarray.  Not to mention ill equipped for even another southeast Asia adventure, let alone a desert expedition.  But hey, it's much more fun to idolize the guy that not only didn't have to do anything military, but actually DID do something illegal - bribed the Iranians to release our embassy people.  You remember Iran/Contra don't you?

But then, that's not what the American public wants - failure through no fault of one, but done legally is nowhere near as good a result as just paying off the people you are in conflict with.  Sounds a whole lot like the late Roman Empire, doesn't it?

[Red Arrow]

He both wanted to and tried to.  And left the file with Bush when he left.

If he had the info necessary to get OBL, he should have been able to get OBL.

Kind of like Jimmy taking the blame for the Iran hostage episode.  And the fact that he was the one that actually tried to do something about it.  With the military that Nixon had left him.  Gutted, demoralized, and in massive disarray.  Not to mention ill equipped for even another southeast Asia adventure, let alone a desert expedition.

I don't remember Jimmy Carter doing anything to try to rebuild the military.  It seemed kind of strange for a former US Naval Officer.  Plus, it was a bit easier to have a large military with the draft.   Hey you, your number is up.   Get your butt to boot camp.  We own you for 6 years.

But hey, it's much more fun to idolize the guy that not only didn't have to do anything military, but actually DID do something illegal - bribed the Iranians to release our embassy people.  You remember Iran/Contra don't you?

Yeah, it would have been a lot better to get a bunch of GIs killed instead.  That way you could blame Reagan for that too.  I can see the history books.... US troops killed thousands of Iranians and lost hundreds of their own (I am optimistic) in order to save 52 people from captivity when their freedom could have been bought for a few million dollars.

But then, that's not what the American public wants - failure through no fault of one, but done legally is nowhere near as good a result as just paying off the people you are in conflict with. 

You expect us to embrace failure?  Carter was dealt a few bad hands but he didn't always play them well either.

[nathanm]

Yeah, it would have been a lot better to get a bunch of GIs killed instead.  That way you could blame Reagan for that too.  I can see the history books.... US troops killed thousands of Iranians and lost hundreds of their own (I am optimistic) in order to save 52 people from captivity when their freedom could have been bought for a few million dollars.

Where Reagan or his team deserve condemnation on that is that they prenegotiated the release before the effing election (excellent!) and got the Iranians to agree to delay the prisoners' release to ensure it didn't mess up Reagan's chance of winning. (not excellent)