Mitt Romney - prep school bully

[heironymouspasparagus]

I don't remember Jimmy Carter doing anything to try to rebuild the military.  It seemed kind of strange for a former US Naval Officer.  Plus, it was a bit easier to have a large military with the draft.   Hey you, your number is up.   Get your butt to boot camp.  We own you for 6 years.

Yeah, it would have been a lot better to get a bunch of GIs killed instead.  That way you could blame Reagan for that too.  I can see the history books.... US troops killed thousands of Iranians and lost hundreds of their own (I am optimistic) in order to save 52 people from captivity when their freedom could have been bought for a few million dollars.


You expect us to embrace failure?  Carter was dealt a few bad hands but he didn't always play them well either.

Not much that would have happened at that time.  Just was not in the cards.


And yet, certain factions idolize Bush for getting thousands of our kids killed (not to mention the million Iraqis) for no particular reason at all other than fixing Daddy's embarrassment.  Oh, yeah...and oil. 

Then why didn't we just buy Saddam?  Oh, yeah...we did for 20+ years.  Then they decided to just kill him.

That is the truth - Carter did not play the cards very well.  I have always wished that Ford would have been elected.  My opinion - he was one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had.  Up in the top 10 certainly.  One big reason - he vetoed more spending bills than any other.

[Red Arrow]

And yet, certain factions idolize Bush for getting thousands of our kids killed (not to mention the million Iraqis) for no particular reason at all other than fixing Daddy's embarrassment.  Oh, yeah...and oil. 

and exporting terrorism.  Offering families something like $10,000 for their kids to become suicide bombers.  Little things like that.

[heironymouspasparagus]

and exporting terrorism.  Offering families something like $10,000 for their kids to become suicide bombers.  Little things like that.

That was Bin Laden...

[Red Arrow]

That was Bin Laden...

Maybe him too but Saddam was right in there.

[nathanm]

Maybe him too but Saddam was right in there.

He wasn't in any meaningful way. He wasn't exactly an Islamist, you know. Bad guy, to be sure. Deserved every bit of what came to him. His people, however, did not deserve what they got from us.

[Red Arrow]

He wasn't in any meaningful way. He wasn't exactly an Islamist, you know. Bad guy, to be sure. Deserved every bit of what came to him. His people, however, did not deserve what they got from us.

Saddam was trying to be the leader of the Middle East.  I agree he wasn't an Islamist.  He was on his own power and glory trip. 

[Hoss]

Saddam was trying to be the leader of the Middle East.  I agree he wasn't an Islamist.  He was on his own power and glory trip. 

He shouldn't have been the one we focused on after 9/11 though.  It seems like we were all for going after OBL until about the end of 2002, then the shift was to the WMD in Iraq.  Why?

[Conan71]

He shouldn't have been the one we focused on after 9/11 though.  It seems like we were all for going after OBL until about the end of 2002, then the shift was to the WMD in Iraq.  Why?

Easy.  Taliban was out of power in Afghanistan and OBL had been driven into the mountains and his network was largely dismantled by that point.  At least compared to how it had been while the Taliban were still in power.

Either that or I can sound like a complete moron and say: "Baby Bush went in to avenge the embarrassment Saddam caused his daddy.  Oh and to steal their oil too!"

[Teatownclown]

Easy.  Taliban was out of power in Afghanistan and OBL had been driven into the mountains and his network was largely dismantled by that point.  At least compared to how it had been while the Taliban were still in power.

Either that or I can sound like a complete moron and say: "Baby Bush went in to avenge the embarrassment Saddam caused his daddy.  Oh and to steal their oil too!"

Only a tool would not come right out and say the Cheney gang wanted the oil in Iraq.

Conan, you're making Gweedoe doe look respectable.

[Conan71]

the Cheney gang wanted the oil in Iraq.

Only a redneck would think that.

[Townsend]

Only a redneck would think that.

Wait, I thought the Redneck Party was pro-Cheney.

[Hoss]

Wait, I thought the Redneck Party was pro-Cheney.

Maybe that's shot-neck party...

[Red Arrow]

He shouldn't have been the one we focused on after 9/11 though.  It seems like we were all for going after OBL until about the end of 2002, then the shift was to the WMD in Iraq.  Why?

Because the type of "leader" he was trying to be was not acceptable.  It was a side issue to 9/11.  Whether or not it was important or justified will be better judged by history than by us.

[RecycleMichael]

Because the type of "leader" he was trying to be was not acceptable.  It was a side issue to 9/11.  Whether or not it was important or justified will be better judged by history than by us.

I don't entirely disagree with the notion that the U.S. needs to be sometimes aggressive in taking out bad leaders, why did Bush only go after Saddam?

Kim Jong ll of North Korea?  Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iraq?

Each of these killed more and committed more human rights violations.

If you don't think Bush 2 didn't choose Saddam in part because of his father, you are naive.

[Conan71]

I don't entirely disagree with the notion that the U.S. needs to be sometimes aggressive in taking out bad leaders, why did Bush only go after Saddam?

Kim Jong ll of North Korea?  Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iraq?

Each of these killed more and committed more human rights violations.

If you don't think Bush 2 didn't choose Saddam in part because of his father, you are naive.

If you think it was to avenge Daddy Bush you need to visit Bruno for one of his custom-fit hats.