Mitt Romney - prep school bully

[Red Arrow]

If you don't think Bush 2 didn't choose Saddam in part because of his father, you are naive.

I will agree with "in part".   Too many here try to make it "entirely because of his father".  They conveniently choose to ignore any other issues of the middle east and Saddam's historical mentors.

I will pass along the naive label to those who will not see any part of the picture beside the "his father" issue.

[Conan71]

I will agree with "in part".   Too many here try to make it "entirely because of his father".  They conveniently choose to ignore any other issues of the middle east and Saddam's historical mentors.

I will pass along the naive label to those who will not see any part of the picture beside the "his father" issue.

I've never bought into the "war for oil" or "avenging daddy" crap, I think it played out like this:

"Look Rummy, we are already flying troops, bombs, tanks, planes, and all kinds of other cool stuff to Afghanistan, could we just do a drive-by bombing on Iraq?  I mean they are practically neighbors, drop off a few servicemen, some bombs, poison a few wells, and finally Clinton will shut the love up about 'there's no doubt there were unaccounted for weapons of mass destruction the day I left office'.  Damn I'm tired of that sound bite, and I'm getting really bucking tired of that a-hole telling the UN they can all get foobared.  Let's just go in and shut him the hell up already, eh?"

[Red Arrow]

I've never bought into the "war for oil" or "avenging daddy" crap, I think it played out like this:

"Look Rummy, we are already flying troops, bombs, tanks, planes, and all kinds of other cool stuff to Afghanistan, could we just do a drive-by bombing on Iraq?  I mean they are practically neighbors, drop off a few servicemen, some bombs, poison a few wells, and finally Clinton will shut the love up about 'there's no doubt there were unaccounted for weapons of mass destruction the day I left office'.  Damn I'm tired of that sound bite, and I'm getting really bucking tired of that a-hole telling the UN they can all get foobared.  Let's just go in and shut him the hell up already, eh?"

As I said, "in part".  I believe there were legitimate reasons to get rid of Saddam regardless of the WMD issue.  Why Saddam and not others?  We cannot do everything.  It's time for some other countries to put up or shut up.  As far as Iraq and our so called allies are concerned, can you say money?  It's easy to forget that a lot of countries had some lucrative deals going with Saddam.

[Hoss]

As I said, "in part".  I believe there were legitimate reasons to get rid of Saddam regardless of the WMD issue.  Why Saddam and not others?  We cannot do everything.  It's time for some other countries to put up or shut up.  As far as Iraq and our so called allies are concerned, can you say money?  It's easy to forget that a lot of countries had some lucrative deals going with Saddam.

And the funny thing about that is how the Republicans eviscerated our current President when it appeared he was doing nothing in Libya.  I hate the US being the world police when we aren't directly threatened.  We weren't in Iraq either.  Oh, except for the oil interests.   

[Conan71]

And the funny thing about that is how the Republicans eviscerated our current President when it appeared he was doing nothing in Libya.  I hate the US being the world police when we aren't directly threatened.  We weren't in Iraq either.  Oh, except for the oil interests.   

Libya is exactly what Iraq should have been.  Had it gone that easily, people might have eventually forgotten that Baby Bush stole the 2000 election with Daddy's Supreme Court.   

[Hoss]

Libya is exactly what Iraq should have been.  Had it gone that easily, people might have eventually forgotten that Baby Bush stole the 2000 election with Daddy's Supreme Court.   

Had Daddy helped the rebels in the South of Iraq when he encouraged them to coup, we might not even be having this discussion.  Then again, we might.

So many 'ifs'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

[Teatownclown]

Conan, quit re-writing history.

[nathanm]

Baby Bush stole the 2000 election with Daddy's Supreme Court.   

No, his brother's Secretary of State illegally purging tens of thousands of voters who were disproportionately poor and black did a fine job of giving the Supreme Court the opportunity to contradict the Constitution for partisan reasons.

[Teatownclown]

Off subject ( )Hoss, I recorded SNL during the THUNDER TRIUMPH last night and watched it late...omg, Mick Jagger used David and Foo Fighters and Jeff Beck as his back up band and it was splendid...the whole show was the best one I've seen in over 20 years. Look for clips ...

"Don't let Mitt Romney cut your hair" Mick Jagger

[Hoss]

Off subject ( )Hoss, I recorded SNL during the THUNDER TRIUMPH last night and watched it late...omg, Mick Jagger used David and Foo Fighters and Jeff Beck as his back up band and it was splendid...the whole show was the best one I've seen in over 20 years. Look for clips ...

"Don't let Mitt Romney cut your hair" Mick Jagger

I watched it as well...all kinds of musical WIN on stage last night.

[Teatownclown]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/mick-jagger-and-jeff-beck-tea-party/1402537/


rock on

[heironymouspasparagus]

As I said, "in part".  I believe there were legitimate reasons to get rid of Saddam regardless of the WMD issue.  Why Saddam and not others?  We cannot do everything.  It's time for some other countries to put up or shut up.  As far as Iraq and our so called allies are concerned, can you say money?  It's easy to forget that a lot of countries had some lucrative deals going with Saddam.

The Daddy Bush and oil topics are an umbrella that cover all the stated reasons we went into Iraq - none of which was true, as we knew then.  And know even better now.

I would really love to know what you - any of you - think legitimate reasons were to go into Iraq?   Keeping in mind that every single reason floated by Baby was known to be invalid at the time it was used.
This should be good.

And any "humanitarian" reason given is eclipsed by reality many times over.

Just curious...what could those "better" legitimate reasons possibly be?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Libya is exactly what Iraq should have been.  Had it gone that easily, people might have eventually forgotten that Baby Bush stole the 2000 election with Daddy's Supreme Court.   

You remember that?  Your tag line is working - recovering Republican....glad to hear it.


Which brings us to the question of why we supported this Libya thing at all?  A couple of decades ago, we told Kaddafi to sit down and shut up - with the bombing of his palace and killing some family - and he did for the most part, with a few unresolved questions, like Lockerbie.  But now all of a sudden, he is world enemy number 2 or 3?   How did that happen?  And how did we become so friendly with the people doing that revolt?  You remember them, the same ones who have been traveling to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill our kids....

Could it have anything to do with the talking he had been doing about trying to put together an African Union, modeled on the lines of the European Union?  Wonder what kind of effect that would have on all those cheap, rare resources we get from Africa, if they were able to get organized into a true economic entity?  Could they end up as a cartel?

[guido911]

Then look at Romney. He is completely out of touch with the average American. Growing up the wealthy son of the president of a car company and governor gave him passes for bad behavior.

Sounds like Romney is Ted Kennedy--except for the "dead girl" thing.

[Teatownclown]

Sounds like Romney is Ted Kennedy--except for the "dead girl" thing.

Guido is insecure. He wants us to think that he is important. It's a self worth issue that he is dealing with.