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[nathanm]

As per vocational training, welders are in very high demand.  There's currently about 6000 positions which continue to go un-filled in the Tulsa area.

There is also a decent deficit of nurses, but neither changes the big picture that much.

[Red Arrow]

As per vocational training, welders are in very high demand.  There's currently about 6000 positions which continue to go un-filled in the Tulsa area.

There sure seems to be a mismatch of training and job opportunities, underwater basket weaving not withstanding.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm not sure how going from losing 800,000 private sector jobs a month to gaining 100,000-200,000 private sector jobs a month is such a failure in your mind. Weren't you crowing about the Bush recovery at one point?

You keep forgetting.... "The Script"....

[heironymouspasparagus]

I noticed that the article only considered high school and 4 year college degrees.  There are other alternatives like Tulsa Tech.  They are considerably less expensive than a 4 year college and can provide training needed beyond high school to get a decent job.   Still no guarantee but a better probability.

Tulsa Tech is a great place!!  Excellent training and value!

And the cost is light years better than any of the private trade schools.  (Sorry, private trade schools...)

[heironymouspasparagus]

As per vocational training, welders are in very high demand.  There's currently about 6000 positions which continue to go un-filled in the Tulsa area.

There is high demand - and the so-called shortage - for welders at $12 per hour.  If there were valid responses to 'supply and demand', the hourly wage would go up, and the demand would go down because more people would be taking welding classes and getting jobs.

I bet if the average pay was $25 per hour, there would be a lot more jobs filled.

[Conan71]

There is high demand - and the so-called shortage - for welders at $12 per hour.  If there were valid responses to 'supply and demand', the hourly wage would go up, and the demand would go down because more people would be taking welding classes and getting jobs.

I bet if the average pay was $25 per hour, there would be a lot more jobs filled.

Shows how little you know.  Entry wage is $22-$25.  Experienced code welders and fitters can command $30-$40 an hour if they have a clean record and no bad habits which keep them from showing up for work every day.

Structural welders (i.e. non-critical oil patch skid building which anyone with minimal training with a wire feed can do) will make about $5 an hour less.  The real shortage is people who can fit and weld on pressure vessels and piping systems.

[Red Arrow]

There is high demand - and the so-called shortage - for welders at $12 per hour.  If there were valid responses to 'supply and demand', the hourly wage would go up, and the demand would go down because more people would be taking welding classes and getting jobs.
I bet if the average pay was $25 per hour, there would be a lot more jobs filled.

$12/hr? 

http://www1.salary.com/Welder-I-Salary.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Shows how little you know.  Entry wage is $22-$25.  Experienced code welders and fitters can command $30-$40 an hour if they have a clean record and no bad habits which keep them from showing up for work every day.

Structural welders (i.e. non-critical oil patch skid building which anyone with minimal training with a wire feed can do) will make about $5 an hour less.  The real shortage is people who can fit and weld on pressure vessels and piping systems.

Just what I said - there is high demand for $12/hour welders.  And there is even a large demand for $13 - 21 per hour welders - as shown by 6 pages of the Tulsa World want ads.

I am curious about who is paying $20 for entry here in Tulsa.  Must be all the other place (singular) that isn't advertising in the Whirled.

20 - 25 for entry would imply that my experience would bring 30.  I may have to look into that...

Always been a shortage of fitter/welders.  I have worked with a guy who was an underwater (offshore) welder and one who did specialty steels in a refinery in a refinery in Houston (was doing heat stress relief work at parent company of Western Stress - yeah, I know - long time ago.)  Even back then, those guys took home over 6 figures - and none of them after the decimal point!  Very specialized stuff.

Ex family patriarch was a regular old fitter/welder.  Good money when he worked.  Enough to bridge the gaps when work was scarce, plus quite a bit.  Very good career.

[heironymouspasparagus]

$12/hr? 

http://www1.salary.com/Welder-I-Salary.html

Maybe a little high when take into account the overtime needed to get to $35k.

What I said was there is high demand at $12.  Because many won't do that job for that little money.  Hence, the demand - and the attendant required increase in wage to fill the position.  But there is a better site than that to show wage offers.

http://tulsa.careers.adicio.com/jobs/rl-tulsa-oklahoma-united-states/?Category=trades&radius=50&sort=PostDate+desc%2C+score+desc

Saw range of 13 to 21 per hour.  But only went through about half the pages, skimming quickly.

What is the average amount of overtime in the area per year?  I don't know, but I would expect it could be maybe 4 to 8 hours (more??) per week for this area.  Extra 10% time at time and a half.

[Red Arrow]

20 - 25 for entry would imply that my experience would bring 30.  I may have to look into that...

Looking for a side line when you "retire"?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Looking for a side line when you "retire"?

I started out as an electrician and welder.  If the pay was right, I could see going back full circle...

Probably not.  Just gonna keep my little mig machine working on small hobby projects.  This is the inspiration for next 'big' project...
http://andersonmobileestates.com/home.php

This little project could have potential - in spite of the Obama connection - it just needs some decent paint....think "Furthur" and "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest".

http://www.cityfarmer.info/2008/11/12/cross-country-ride-urges-white-house-to-add-organic-farm/

[Red Arrow]

Maybe a little high when take into account the overtime needed to get to $35k.

$12/hr is roughly $24K/yr for 40 hr/wk, 50 wks/yr (2 weeks vacation).

50 wks x [ (40 hrs x M $/hr) + (8 hrs x (1.5 x M $/hr)) ] = $35,000.
M = 13.46 $/hr for 40 hr/wk straight time and 8 hr/wk at time and a half for 50 wks.

All straight time, $35,000 is 17.50 $/hr for 40 hr/wk, 50 wk/yr

$12 is probably a little LOW.

[Red Arrow]

This little project could have potential - in spite of the Obama connection - it just needs some decent paint....think "Furthur" and "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest".
http://www.cityfarmer.info/2008/11/12/cross-country-ride-urges-white-house-to-add-organic-farm/

That bus reminds me of an Pitt Special airplane that was rigged with landing gear on top so the pilot could land inverted.  Real plane, I saw it at the Haskell Airshow eons ago. The pilot landed inverted and lowered himself out of the plane with a built in winch.  Later he winched himself back into the plane, took off, rolled right side up and landed again.  Really different.

[heironymouspasparagus]

$12/hr is roughly $24K/yr for 40 hr/wk, 50 wks/yr (2 weeks vacation).

50 wks x [ (40 hrs x M $/hr) + (8 hrs x (1.5 x M $/hr)) ] = $35,000.
M = 13.46 $/hr for 40 hr/wk straight time and 8 hr/wk at time and a half for 50 wks.

All straight time, $35,000 is 17.50 $/hr for 40 hr/wk, 50 wk/yr

$12 is probably a little LOW.

I wouldn't do that job for that money.  The Whirled shows higher hourly rates - averaging probably about that $17 range.  So, start at 34k, then add 10% hours at time and a half, and it gets to be still fairly small money for a whole LOT of work!  But on the plus side, you get to buy a lot of new clothes to replace the ones with all the little burn holes in them!

[heironymouspasparagus]

That bus reminds me of an Pitt Special airplane that was rigged with landing gear on top so the pilot could land inverted.  Real plane, I saw it at the Haskell Airshow eons ago. The pilot landed inverted and lowered himself out of the plane with a built in winch.  Later he winched himself back into the plane, took off, rolled right side up and landed again.  Really different.

Off the wall stuff like that is ALWAYS more interesting than more conventional things.

I do like the Anderson stuff, but I would feel more at home in "Furthur" than that thing.