Executive Privilege

[Conan71]

What? So, you don't get the link between F and F and WOD?

ALSO, Bill Clinton was an ex stoner President and last I saw his approval ratings were higher than any single Repiglicant. And the current ex stoner President? This ex stoner, who is more popular than any Teahadist/GOPeer, President would be breaking the law to turn over these Fast and Furious docs to Issass.

Such stupid game playing by the Teabagger/GOPeer's.

Well duh, anyone with any brain cells left knows F&F is result of the WOD, who were they walking the guns to?  Drug smugglers.  What's the point you are trying to make as it relates to the illegal actions of the DOJ the White House is trying to cover up?

Secondly, Clinton wasn't a stoner, it's hard to get stoned when you don't inhale 

[Teatownclown]

Well duh, anyone with any brain cells left knows F&F is result of the WOD, who were they walking the guns to?  Drug smugglers.  What's the point you are trying to make as it relates to the illegal actions of the DOJ the White House is trying to cover up?

Secondly, Clinton wasn't a stoner, it's hard to get stoned when you don't inhale 

Conan, read Ed's post two or three back and you might understand why this DOJ "cover up" is related to National Security and it is subject to Executive Privelege to protect our wartime interests. He points out what conservatives would think had this one man not been killed. Mind you, 3 people in this country die every hour from guns. But that's really neither here nor there because it's too difficult to politicize unless your cold trigger fingers are being pried from your right to bear arms. And the real target here is not guns, or the victim or even Mr. Holder. The real target/issue is POTUS Obama.

Every republican neo-con I talk to is a drooling moron, so it stands to follow that all republicans neo-cons are drooling morons.

[Red Arrow]

That's your opinion.  However, it was Gas who started the post...I simply pointed out the outrage disparity.

Again and again and again....

[Red Arrow]

He points out asks what conservatives would think had this one man not been killed.

[guido911]

Again and again and again....

Okay. Hoss needs some love everyone. Gassy. We demand answers!  Where was your damned outrage back in the Bush years over his exercising executive privilege. I'm not talk minor outrage, but your full on, batsh!t crazy scream fest which you are apparently exhibiting in here. Something like this:



If you fail to produce evidence of your outrage, then I will simply assume that whether Obama exercises the privilege or not, whether he condemned its use in 2007 or not, and label the question you raised as completely non-newsworthy and you some bad evil name.

[Hoss]

Okay. Hoss needs some love everyone. Gassy. We demand answers!  Where was your damned outrage back in the Bush years over his exercising executive privilege. I'm not talk minor outrage, but your full on, batsh!t crazy scream fest which you are apparently exhibiting in here. Something like this:



If you fail to produce evidence of your outrage, then I will simply assume that whether Obama exercises the privilege or not, whether he condemned its use in 2007 or not, and label the question you raised as completely non-newsworthy and you some bad evil name.

Ah, yes, the AW is out tonight.  Nice to see you're still in form.

You might need to start work, however, on your ad hominem skills, as you may have a challenger.

[Gaspar]

That's your opinion.  However, it was Gas who started the post...I simply pointed out the outrage disparity.

I continue to point out that there is no disparity.

[Hoss]

I continue to point out that there is no disparity.

As I will continue to point out that there is.

[Red Arrow]

As I will continue to point out that there is.

I hope you are stomping both of your feet up and down, waving your fists wildly, gritting your teeth, and holding your breath until you turn blue.

[Hoss]

I hope you are stomping both of your feet up and down, waving your fists wildly, gritting your teeth, and holding your breath until you turn blue.

Nope, don't need to.  He can continue to believe what HE wants, I will continue to believe what I want.  That's the great thing about free will.

[Gaspar]

Okay. Hoss needs some love everyone. Gassy. We demand answers!  Where was your damned outrage back in the Bush years over his exercising executive privilege. I'm not talk minor outrage, but your full on, batsh!t crazy scream fest which you are apparently exhibiting in here. Something like this:



If you fail to produce evidence of your outrage, then I will simply assume that whether Obama exercises the privilege or not, whether he condemned its use in 2007 or not, and label the question you raised as completely non-newsworthy and you some bad evil name.

Wish I could, but I wasn't on this forum in 2007.  When Clinton did it I was pissed, of course he was overturned 9 times.  When bush did it I was equally pissed, especially because Cheney attempted to establish that he had the right to EP too, and that's not true!  Bush was also overturned several times.

Now I am EQUALLY pissed that President Obama has done it for an office outside of the Executive branch, and for documents that he claims he is "unaware" of.  But who cares what I think.  This is more of an affront against those who elected President Obama than those of us who chose otherwise.  For us, he continues to produce fodder that makes it very difficult not to say "I told you so."  For those who support him, he continues to produce embarrassment and failure on nearly every aspect of every platform they elected him on.  His only achievement is holding us in grips recession out of spite for the private sector, or "the enemy" as he calls them in his book.

My "outrage" is not directed at President Obama, because he has proven to be an inept at his job (he can't help that), my outrage is at those that continue to defend his ineptitude like dogs defending a vicious master because he feeds them, even though he beats them constantly and forces them to sleep in the cold.  They defend him out of hope for that next morsel.

President Obama was the first president in a long time to enjoy 2 years of almost total power with a sympathetic congress, and in that time he produced the trashiest and most useless stimulus legislation ever passed.  The sole purpose of every program was to distribute "thanks" to donors, banks, unions, and other special interests.  As a result, he got a midterm congressional election that stripped him of his empirical robes.  Now he is again attempting on several fronts to reign over the people at the dismay of the people.  Congress be damned, he's the king!

Those that continue to defend him are either ignorant or choose to play ignorant.  That's where the outrage is, and their only defense, the only thing they can say, the only way they can sell their support for President Obama is to say "Well, Bush did. . ."  

That is the saddest endorsement for a man, I have ever heard.

[Hoss]

Wish I could, but I wasn't on this forum in 2007.  When Clinton did it I was pissed, of course he was overturned 9 times.  When bush did it I was equally pissed, especially because Cheney attempted to establish that he had the right to EP too, and that's not true!  Bush was also overturned several times.

Now I am EQUALLY pissed that President Obama has done it for an office outside of the Executive branch, and for documents that he claims he is "unaware" of.  But who cares what I think.  This is more of an affront against those who elected President Obama than those of us who chose otherwise.  For us, he continues to produce fodder that makes it very difficult not to say "I told you so."  For those who support him, he continues to produce embarrassment and failure on nearly every aspect of every platform they elected him on.  His only achievement is holding us in grips recession out of spite for the private sector, or "the enemy" as he calls them in his book.

My "outrage" is not directed at President Obama, because he has proven to be an inept at his job (he can't help that), my outrage is at those that continue to defend his ineptitude like dogs defending a vicious master because he feeds them, even though he beats them constantly and forces them to sleep in the cold.  They defend him out of hope for that next morsel.

President Obama was the first president in a long time to enjoy 2 years of almost total power with a sympathetic congress, and in that time he produced the trashiest and most useless stimulus legislation ever passed.  The sole purpose of every program was to distribute "thanks" to donors, banks, unions, and other special interests.  As a result, he got a midterm congressional election that stripped him of his empirical robes.  Now he is again attempting on several fronts to reign over the people at the dismay of the people.  Congress be damned, he's the king!

Those that continue to defend him are either ignorant or choose to play ignorant.  That's where the outrage is, and their only defense, the only thing they can say, the only way they can sell their support for President Obama is to say "Well, Bush did. . ."  

That is the saddest endorsement for a man, I have ever heard.

I'm not selling any defense either for or against.  I'm not endorsing anyone.  Once again, I'm pointing out the selective outrage, and I've had people agree with me on this point.  You do realize you can be against someone while not being for the other, correct?

It amuses me that the only way people on here try to quash my question is to accuse me of defending the current administration's actions or using this subject some way to bolster my support for the current President.  I don't support either currently.  I'm so glad many of you are able to venture into my though process to continue to deflect the question.

And I will concede that you were not on here for that part of 2007 (you did join, however in November).

But I sure didn't see any outrage from the usual suspects in that timeframe who were on here.

Myself?  Nary a peep did I say about any EPs done during that period.  I don't like them, but not to the point where I feel I should shout it to the public on a public forum.

The partisan divisiveness not only on this forum, but in this country is staggering.  It needs to end or we go nowhere, because even if Romney is elected, there will be much of the same.

[Gaspar]

The partisan divisiveness not only on this forum, but in this country is staggering.  It needs to end or we go nowhere, because even if Romney is elected, there will be much of the same.

That we can agree on.  I have always been one to give the president credit for his positive achievements, though they be few.  Some cannot stomach that, because they view it more as a "my team vs. your team" type of situation.  One of the positive aspects of President Obama's "reign" is that he is the unwilling birth-father of a whole new generation of independent voters who may still register as one party or the other, but find a home in neither.  I am hopeful that this will eventually strengthen other political parties and philosophies to build enough financial support to actually compete in future elections.  Libertarians, Teaheadists, and even the Socialist Democrat Party/OWS have stronger voices now.

[guido911]

I hope you are stomping both of your feet up and down, waving your fists wildly, gritting your teeth, and holding your breath until you turn blue.

Is he getting close to this yet?

[Hoss]

Is he getting close to this yet?

C'mon Gweed, you can do better than that!