Executive Privilege

[Conan71]

I'm not selling any defense either for or against.  I'm not endorsing anyone.  Once again, I'm pointing out the selective outrage, and I've had people agree with me on this point.  You do realize you can be against someone while not being for the other, correct?

It amuses me that the only way people on here try to quash my question is to accuse me of defending the current administration's actions or using this subject some way to bolster my support for the current President.  I don't support either currently.  I'm so glad many of you are able to venture into my though process to continue to deflect the question.

And I will concede that you were not on here for that part of 2007 (you did join, however in November).

But I sure didn't see any outrage from the usual suspects in that timeframe who were on here.

Myself?  Nary a peep did I say about any EPs done during that period.  I don't like them, but not to the point where I feel I should shout it to the public on a public forum.

The partisan divisiveness not only on this forum, but in this country is staggering.  It needs to end or we go nowhere, because even if Romney is elected, there will be much of the same.

Just because no one expressed concern about a previous admin's use of EP doesn't mean this isn't relevant nor is it an example of selective outrage.  I do seem to recall outrage at the time from all corners when EP was attempted in covering up the facts on Pat Tillman's death when his family wanted answers as to whether or not he was killed by enemy fire or friendly fire.

I can't speak for Gaspar, but I can tell you why I'm pissed about it:

The reason this stinks is the president is claiming executive privilege over documents he claims he knows nothing about and it appears he's running interference for the DOJ.  Shouldn't "executive privilege" only be extended to the "executive" branch if the president claims to have no knowledge of the documents in question?  It also is a clear example of his hypocrisy when he is caught on tape in 2007 criticizing President Bush's use of EP.  

Secondly, this is an attempt to cover up obviously illegal activity on the part of the DOJ, ATF, and possibly the FBI and other agencies who were involved.  This activity resulted not only in the death of one U.S. agent, but untold hundreds of innocent and not so innocent victims in Mexico.  I would suspect there are even U.S. citizens who have been killed with these weapons in border areas on both sides of the border.

This president continues to rule by fiat.  Examples are simply deciding to extend amnesty to 800,000 undocumented students Senate be damned, running around Congress and enacting new rules and regulations via a system of "czars" when he doesn't get his way, Obamacare (including the cowardly way it was passed using reconciliation).

(Personally, I'm somewhat ambiguous on the amnesty issue as these are generally children of illegals who had no choice in where their parents took them.  It's the usurping of Constitutional procedure when he doesn't get his way that pisses me off on this one).

[guido911]

C'mon Gweed, you can do better than that!

I know I can. But just look at the material I am working with here.

[Townsend]

6 pages about EP so far.

I wonder where we'll be with EP in a few years.  Surely it'll be removed by the next president...GOP, Dem, Ind...certainly they'll know we don't want it and remove it.

[Teatownclown]

Just because no one expressed concern about a previous admin's use of EP doesn't mean this isn't relevant nor is it an example of selective outrage.  I do seem to recall outrage at the time from all corners when EP was attempted in covering up the facts on Pat Tillman's death when his family wanted answers as to whether or not he was killed by enemy fire or friendly fire.

I can't speak for Gaspar, but I can tell you why I'm pissed about it:

The reason this stinks is the president is claiming executive privilege over documents he claims he knows nothing about and it appears he's running interference for the DOJ.  Shouldn't "executive privilege" only be extended to the "executive" branch if the president claims to have no knowledge of the documents in question?  It also is a clear example of his hypocrisy when he is caught on tape in 2007 criticizing President Bush's use of EP.  

Secondly, this is an attempt to cover up obviously illegal activity on the part of the DOJ, ATF, and possibly the FBI and other agencies who were involved.  This activity resulted not only in the death of one U.S. agent, but untold hundreds of innocent and not so innocent victims in Mexico.  I would suspect there are even U.S. citizens who have been killed with these weapons in border areas on both sides of the border.

This president continues to rule by fiat.  Examples are simply deciding to extend amnesty to 800,000 undocumented students Senate be damned, running around Congress and enacting new rules and regulations via a system of "czars" when he doesn't get his way, Obamacare (including the cowardly way it was passed using reconciliation).

(Personally, I'm somewhat ambiguous on the amnesty issue as these are generally children of illegals who had no choice in where their parents took them.  It's the usurping of Constitutional procedure when he doesn't get his way that pisses me off on this one).

[Conan71]

I hear Midtown Hardware has a sale on tiki torches and pitchforks.  Go in see Jim Sweeney and tell him Conan sent you.

[guido911]

6 pages about EP so far.

I wonder where we'll be with EP in a few years.  Surely it'll be removed by the next president...GOP, Dem, Ind...certainly they'll know we don't want it and remove it.

I haven't said I wanted it removed. I think it's purpose is necessary; however some of the circumstances of it's assertion is what is questionable.

[Townsend]

I haven't said I wanted it removed. I think it's purpose is necessary; however some of the circumstances of it's assertion is what is questionable.

I was kidding.  It's there.  It'll always be there.  There's probably a super secret exec privilege we don't know about.

[Hoss]

I was kidding.  It's there.  It'll always be there.  There's probably a super secret exec privilege we don't know about.

[guido911]

I was kidding.  It's there.  It'll always be there.  There's probably a super secret exec privilege we don't know about.

Well, I guess I was being a dumbaox, sorry. As for the super secret, it does exist.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Well, I guess I was being a dumbaox, sorry. As for the super secret, it does exist.

Didn't work.  I could always hear them talking even when they were in that thing.

[Teatownclown]

I haven't said I wanted it removed. I think it's purpose is necessary; however some of the circumstances of it's assertion is what is questionable.

Amen to that!

""They're going after Eric Holder because he is supporting measures to overturn these voter suppression initiatives in the states," Pelosi told reporters during her press briefing today. "This is no accident, it is no coincidence. It is a plan on the part of Republicans. "

NRA: Obama's Routine Executive Privilege Claim Proves Our Crazy Fast And Furious Conspiracy Theory
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201206220007

and the beat goes on....

[Conan71]

Amen to that!

""They're going after Eric Holder because he is supporting measures to overturn these voter suppression initiatives in the states," Pelosi told reporters during her press briefing today. "This is no accident, it is no coincidence. It is a plan on the part of Republicans. "

and the beat goes on....

Aunt Nancy is just as nutty as ever.

She knows full well it's all because Holder is black.

[Teatownclown]

Aunt Nancy is just as nutty as ever.

She knows full well it's all because Holder is black.

Baiter

[Conan71]

Baiter

And you are the master

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