TULSA'S WATER GOES DOWN THE DRAIN!

[Teatownclown]

http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/absurdity/

'Fluoride came into use at a time when asbestos lined our pipes, DDT was routinely sprayed on schoolchildren' and nine out of ten doctors smoked camels.

There are many cultures who don't fluorodate that have better tooth decay stats than us. It's not necessary.

It's the active ingredient in Prozac....which I have heard but have no idea if it's true


Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html
   
Yet more studies link fluoride to brain damage
http://www.naturalnews.com/037339_fluoride_brain_damage_studies.html

Communities can't control the dose. Not good. And the ethics of medicating people without their having informed consent is pretty abhorrent.
Heir, I appreciate your input. But I will yield from coming in contact with our water as much as possible. How many PPM of hydrofluorosilicic acid comes out of your tap?

[heironymouspasparagus]

http://www.fluoridealert.org/articles/absurdity/

'Fluoride came into use at a time when asbestos lined our pipes, DDT was routinely sprayed on schoolchildren' and nine out of ten doctors smoked camels.

There are many cultures who don't fluorodate that have better tooth decay stats than us. It's not necessary.

It's the active ingredient in Prozac....which I have heard but have no idea if it's true


Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html
   
Yet more studies link fluoride to brain damage
http://www.naturalnews.com/037339_fluoride_brain_damage_studies.html

Communities can't control the dose. Not good. And the ethics of medicating people without their having informed consent is pretty abhorrent.
Heir, I appreciate your input. But I will yield from coming in contact with our water as much as possible. How many PPM of hydrofluorosilicic acid comes out of your tap?

Starting at the end....nope, I don't know.  Don't care.  Cost/benefit...teeth versus no teeth.

As for brain damage, I would be suspicious that the increased uptake of aluminum (from excess fluoride) would be a bigger worry than just fluoride itself.  I got an uneasy feeling that the massive increases in aluminum we have - biggest source is most likely from anti-perspirants - will eventually be shown to be a big factor in dementia and alzheimer's.  That's why I use plenty of deodorant, but just gonna have to sweat!!  And every restaurant in the country - perhaps the world - uses those big aluminum stock pots!  How much of that is getting boiled off into your food?  That's why God created cast iron!!

The only reason a group would have better decay outcomes would be because they don't have the sugar in the diet that we have.  And eat more whole grains, veggies, fruits, etc.  Not because they don't have fluoride!

I can remember seeing propaganda films in elementary school where they were pushing DDT as the best thing in the world!!  Safety for humans was a big thing - they showed how "safe" it was by mixing some in a glass of water and having someone drink it.  This is similar, but not the one I remember - he puts it in his porridge!  Overall, a pretty obnoxious display typical of colonial Europeans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcXXbuR244

And it is pretty good for killing bugs, except for some of the flora and fauna that are adversely affected - to the point of extinction - by uptake in their food supply.  You can still get your RDA in imported fruits and vegetables, though, since it is used in many other places with no regard whatsoever for the environment.  Curse those pesky "wacko" environmentalists - putting our food suppliers at a disadvantage by not letting them use DDT...!!


Or maybe we should bring it back....??
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html

[Teatownclown]

By far the biggest health concern is that no long term, and very few short-term studies have been performed that can clarify the effect of chloramines on human metabolism.

In one study, doses at the levels used by municipalities to treat water resulted in a significant reduction of water consumption by rats vs. controls, along with significant decreases in glutathione levels in rats. Other stud...ies demonstrated changes in the organ weights of rat spleens, livers, and kidneys. Other studies show that chloramine ingestion may be toxic to the organs that comprise the immune system.

Glutathione (GSH) is your body's master antioxidant, it is a small molecule produced naturally in the body if the required building blocks are available. Glutathione strengthens the immune system, detoxifies the body, fights intracellular inflammation, and neutralizes numerous types of free radicals. Toxins and free radicals damage your cells thereby accelerating the aging process along and making you more susceptible to ailments and other issues associated with aging. The cells in your intestinal tract use glutathione to try to eliminate the chemical preservatives, pesticides and countless other toxins you ingest before they are transported throughout your body. The liver cells use glutathione as their detergent to detoxify your blood. Your eye and skin cells use glutathione to protect themselves against radiation. Glutathione helps your body defend against oxidative stress, which has been associated with more than 74 major diseases and disorders. Simply put, without glutathione, oxygen-based life on earth would be impossible.

This choice to use chloramine in our water, is not a mere inconvenience, but a major health issue for everyone!

https://www.facebook.com/TulsansAgainstChloramine

[RecycleMichael]

I am not taking the pro-chloramine side...

But Boston, San Francisco and Seattle have been using chloramine for two generations. These communities are filled with rabid environmentalists and water is a main aspect of their economy and image.

Why don't their citizens have the health problems that are being claimed? How come they don't have the protests that are coming up in Tulsa?

[Teatownclown]

You see the letter in this mornings paper from Charles Carwin? You were also an advocate for a system in L.A. that does not quite fit for our city.

You seem to be a bureaucrat more than an environmentalist.

Just because those cities add it to their water, if indeed they do, does not make it right for Tulsans.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I am not taking the pro-chloramine side...

But Boston, San Francisco and Seattle have been using chloramine for two generations. These communities are filled with rabid environmentalists and water is a main aspect of their economy and image.

Why don't their citizens have the health problems that are being claimed? How come they don't have the protests that are coming up in Tulsa?

This and fluoride are two things that are just sounding more and more like the high voltage power line scares of the last 30 years or so.... goes like this; if you live near a power line, the "leaking" electricity is gonna deform your cows, make the milk go bad, kill off all the chickens, and make your babies have two heads.  None of which has occurred.

I still think aluminum is gonna be found to be a bigger factor....

[Red Arrow]

I am not taking the pro-chloramine side...

But Boston, San Francisco and Seattle have been using chloramine for two generations. These communities are filled with rabid environmentalists and water is a main aspect of their economy and image.

Why don't their citizens have the health problems that are being claimed? How come they don't have the protests that are coming up in Tulsa?

Chloramine has already turned the residents of Boston, San Francisco and Seattle into mentally deficient mutants.

[Teatownclown]

This and fluoride are two things that are just sounding more and more like the high voltage power line scares of the last 30 years or so.... goes like this; if you live near a power line, the "leaking" electricity is gonna deform your cows, make the milk go bad, kill off all the chickens, and make your babies have two heads.  None of which has occurred.

I still think aluminum is gonna be found to be a bigger factor....

Heir, Alzheimers has been around since the beginning of man. It was called going crazy or dementia in olden times before the health care industry and Big Pharma teamed up with the Medical Industrial Complex and Nursing facilities to form another profit center. Any metal in your bloodstream should concern you. Any foreign chemical entering your body should concern you. Power lines as cell phones do present issues even if what enters your head is intangible.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Heir, Alzheimers has been around since the beginning of man. It was called going crazy or dementia in olden times before the health care industry and Big Pharma teamed up with the Medical Industrial Complex and Nursing facilities to form another profit center. Any metal in your bloodstream should concern you. Any foreign chemical entering your body should concern you. Power lines as cell phones do present issues even if what enters your head is intangible.

Ok...I will admit that power lines have an affect - it's just not detectable in human beings - EVER!!  It is very easy to measure the fields below a high voltage power line - in the 1 to 6 micro-Tesla range under a 400,000 volt AC line.  While the Earth's magnetic field - the same one human's evolved living in - is in the 30 to 60 micro-Tesla at 50 degrees latitude.  So, yeah, power line will have an effect, but the planet effect will be 10 times larger and will "get" you 10 times as fast just sitting there breathing.

The only real danger to humans is if you are standing near one and the line breaks and the line touches you while still energized.  Significant parts of your body will vaporize quickly.  Or if not energized, the mass of that wire hitting you has an excellent chance to kill you with mechanical damage - blunt force trauma.

Net of it is; don't believe the power line nutcases.  You wouldn't be that stupid, would you??

[Teatownclown]

Ok...I will admit that power lines have an affect - it's just not detectable in human beings - EVER!!  It is very easy to measure the fields below a high voltage power line - in the 1 to 6 micro-Tesla range under a 400,000 volt AC line.  While the Earth's magnetic field - the same one human's evolved living in - is in the 30 to 60 micro-Tesla at 50 degrees latitude.  So, yeah, power line will have an effect, but the planet effect will be 10 times larger and will "get" you 10 times as fast just sitting there breathing.

The only real danger to humans is if you are standing near one and the line breaks and the line touches you while still energized.  Significant parts of your body will vaporize quickly.  Or if not energized, the mass of that wire hitting you has an excellent chance to kill you with mechanical damage - blunt force trauma.

Net of it is; don't believe the power line nutcases.  You wouldn't be that stupid, would you??

I'm not stupid at all....but I still limit close contact with my head during my cell phone use.

Part of the water issue for me was the totalitarian all powerful way the edict was handed down.

"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" Garcia/Hunter

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm not stupid at all....but I still limit close contact with my head during my cell phone use.

Part of the water issue for me was the totalitarian all powerful way the edict was handed down.

"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" Garcia/Hunter

Well, I was going for the power line there.  No, not stupid.  Maybe a little whacked out OCD....??  (lol!!)

Cell phones are a mixed bag.  Apparently there is at least a little bit of anecdotal evidence that there have been at least a few (very few) brain cancers shaped like the radiation pattern of the cell phone used by the patient.  Will have to see if that becomes a trend.  May we live in interesting times....

[Elm Creek Smith]

Beer for me, thank you. There are standards that must be met with the ingredients.

ECS

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[heironymouspasparagus]

Beer for me, thank you. There are standards that must be met with the ingredients.

ECS

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Even in olden times - back to pre-historic societies - beer was the food of choice since water would kill ya....!!

Beer is Food!!!

[Elm Creek Smith]

Beer has food value, but food does not have beer value!

ECS

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[patric]

A one-time suburban Chicago official was convicted Monday of lying for decades about drawing water for residents from a well the village knew was tainted by a cancer-causing chemical.
Prosecutors say she and other officials decided to pump the cheaper, polluted well water to score points with voters: They could boast about keeping water rates low. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/29/suburban-chicago-official-convicted-lying-about-drawing-water-from-tainted-well/

Who would we have in Tulsa that would safeguard against something like this?