No Wonder Libs Don’t Want Voter ID Programs

[nathanm]

I don't see voter ID as a problem. 

I know you don't. I do have a problem with requiring ID that costs money or is only available from places difficult to access by public transportation. I still don't understand why you're so concerned with a problem that doesn't actually exist on any meaningful level in this country, but it's certainly your prerogative.

[Red Arrow]

I know you don't. I do have a problem with requiring ID that costs money or is only available from places difficult to access by public transportation. I still don't understand why you're so concerned with a problem that doesn't actually exist on any meaningful level in this country, but it's certainly your prerogative.

I don't understand why you and other Democratic Party leaning persons are so concerned with obtaining an ID that is required for almost every other aspect of life in the USA.

[Hoss]

Please see several posts stating that your FREE voter registration card is acceptable ID.  Check it out if you don't believe it.

Didn't say I didn't believe it, RA, I was questioning because I wasn't sure.  that's why I said I 'thought'.

Simma down now!

[Red Arrow]

Didn't say I didn't believe it, RA, I was questioning.

If you believe it, why question it?  Just trying to keep a Friday evening joust going?

[Conan71]

What?  That photoID doesn't cost money?  Last time I checked, licenses and IDs that were state issued did.  I thought Oklahoma required photo ID at the booth.

Nope.  Your free voter card without a photo is a legal ID to vote.  I don't even remember if they asked for my DL when I re-registered...or was that de-registered?

[nathanm]

I don't understand why you and other Democratic Party leaning persons are so concerned with obtaining an ID that is required for almost every other aspect of life in the USA.

But it's not required for almost every other aspect of life. If I'm self employed, already have an SSN, take public transport or ride a bike, and have a credit card, there's literally nothing in my daily life I require ID for. Personally, the last time I showed anybody my ID was to some TSA nozzle. Yet another worthless use of photo ID, that.

This idea that "we all need" photo ID, absent it being required to vote, is completely false. Many people do. Many others do not, especially those who live in cities and do not drive.

[Conan71]

But it's not required for almost every other aspect of life. If I'm self employed, already have an SSN, take public transport or ride a bike, and have a credit card, there's literally nothing in my daily life I require ID for. Personally, the last time I showed anybody my ID was to some TSA nozzle. Yet another worthless use of photo ID, that.

This idea that "we all need" photo ID, absent it being required to vote, is completely false. Many people do. Many others do not, especially those who live in cities and do not drive.

Using a debit or credit card about 25 5o 50% of the time.  Writing or cashing a check 100% of the time.  Apply for a loan?  Want cash back with that deposit or to withdraw cash without an ATM card.   Oh wait, forgot, you can't open a bank account w/o a photo ID.  When you apply for Social Security, I guarantee they will ask for photo ID.  Get admitted to a hospital?  Wanna own a firearm legally?

In general, you put yourself at a huge disadvantage to not have an ID.

[Red Arrow]

But it's not required for almost every other aspect of life. If I'm self employed, already have an SSN, take public transport or ride a bike, and have a credit card, there's literally nothing in my daily life I require ID for. Personally, the last time I showed anybody my ID was to some TSA nozzle. Yet another worthless use of photo ID, that.

This idea that "we all need" photo ID, absent it being required to vote, is completely false. Many people do. Many others do not, especially those who live in cities and do not drive.

How many people that are too poor to get a photo ID are self employed, have a credit card and can afford a bike? See other posts on requiring ID to qualify for government benefits. 

[nathanm]

Conan, you're arguing convenience versus need. And they're all personal to you and people like you. There are people in this world who live differently than you. They still get the right to vote, and maybe you should show a little consideration for their preferences when going on a crusade against a boogey man. This country isn't just about you and your inane fears. We all have to live together in it.

You need clear and convincing evidence of significant wrongdoing before you mess with one of our most fundamental freedoms. What you've got now is fear and speculation.

RA, a poll tax isn't right just because you can afford it.

[Hoss]

If you believe it, why question it?  Just trying to keep a Friday evening joust going?

Because I wasn't absolutely sure.  And you were the one keeping it going.  Wow.

[Red Arrow]

RA, a poll tax isn't right just because you can afford it.

We disagree on whether it's a poll tax.

[Red Arrow]

And you were the one keeping it going.

Are you saying you were not contributing to keeping it going?  The best way to not keeping it going is to not respond.  Like the rest of us, you cannot resist.

[nathanm]

We disagree on whether it's a poll tax.

Requiring someone to spend money before they can vote is a poll tax, no matter what you call it or how convenient it may make your life in other ways.

[Hoss]

Are you saying you were not contributing to keeping it going?  The best way to not keeping it going is to not respond.  Like the rest of us, you cannot resist.

At least you're being inclusive.  I'm finished.  Now that I know it's not required, I won't add to it.  I couldn't find it clear-cut on line without some legalese parsing.

I'm going to have a Marshalls now.  How's that for a thread ender?

[Red Arrow]

Requiring someone to spend money before they can vote is a poll tax, no matter what you call it or how convenient it may make your life in other ways.

I might be inclined to agree in states where there is no alternative to a fee paid ID.  Oklahoma is not one of those states, imagine that.  Despite your claims otherwise, I don't believe it is possible for almost anyone in the USA to live without an ID acceptable for voting.  Making an issue of having to present it to vote is Grandstanding in my opinion.  It's as much or more of a non-issue as you claim voter fraud to be.  We will obviously disagree on this.  So be it.