You did not do that!

[Red Arrow]

Wow.  You're just shy of the deep end now.

Leaving Mitt out because of the obvious politics, are you saying that you agree that what Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Hewlett and Packard ... did is no big deal?

[Hoss]

Leaving Mitt out because of the obvious politics, are you saying that you agree that what Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Hewlett and Packard ... did is no big deal?

Keep trying.  I'm not discounting those guys at all because I know what they did.  But the ODS from Gas is starting to approach Gweed-proportions.

[Gaspar]

This is entertaining.  Neil Boortz has crafted a letter to the president.


Dear Ruler:

First, let me say how thrilled I am that you went off-teleprompter last week.  This "If you've got a business, you didn't build that.  Somebody else made that happen" thing was just wonderful.  Now I know how Chris Matthews felt.

Oh .. I know.  Your handlers weren't all that thrilled with your amazing screw-up, and, frankly, they have been worried this day was coming for a long time.  They know how you feel about the private sector.  They know of your antipathy toward free enterprise and those evil small businessmen out there who are not likely to support your move to a government centrally-controlled economy.  They had hoped to keep your true feelings in check with those teleprompters ... but nooooooooo ... you just had to improvise, didn't you?  You just had to wander off the tightly-controlled rhetorical reservation.  Well, thank you.  You certainly didn't gain any significant voter support with that asinine utterance, but you most certainly did lose some.

Now we're having fun watching and listening to your sycophants trying to defend your "somebody else made that happen" line.  Somehow they have to make your blunder sound marginally reasonable.  Apparently they've had a meeting somewhere, because they're all running with pretty much the same message.  It was the government that built the roads those trucks travel on to bring stuff to your business for you to sell.  It was the government that built those utility systems that keep your offices cool and the water clean.   They really love that quote from Henry Ford about not being able to build his cars if the government had not built those roads.

Well guess what, Dear Ruler.  We built that stuff too.  Not government --- the private sector – America's evil private businesses.

Get in Marine One, Obama, and fly off to visit a road construction project.  Look at those graders, rollers and the machines that lay the asphalt.  See those logos on the doors?  Those logos are for private construction firms.  Those workers in yellow vests?  Their paychecks and benefits are coming from private businesses – many of them the very small businesses you want to hit with tax increases.

Next you can fly off to take a look at a utility project somewhere.  Maybe you can find a sewer line being laid, or some electrical transmission lines being strung.  Again – those are private companies doing that work with private sector workers.

You see, there's a document out there that, frankly, I doubt you have ever read.  It's called The Declaration of Independence.  I'm sure there's a copy around your office somewhere.  But I do want to save you a bit of trouble here -- knowing you busy you are fundamentally transforming American and all -- so I'll provide you with a little excerpt from that document:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

There!  Do you see that?  That government you're so enamored of ... that government you credit with Americas greatness ... well, to paraphrase one of our presidents, "You didn't build that.  Somebody else made that happen."  That's right, Dear Ruler, somebody else made that government happen .. and that somebody else is US.  The government is OURS.  We built it.  We hire the people to run it.  We have regular meetings every two years or so to decide whether we want to keep those managers or get rid of them to find better talent.  Those roads .. our national infrastructure?  We HIRED the government to build those things for us, just as we hire contractors to build our business locations and to design and manufacture the equipment we will use in the course of our businesses.  We created this government – the government did not create us – and we contract with this government to do things for us on a grand scale because we recognize the inefficiencies of trying to do those things for ourselves.  Government is just another contractor we hire to get our private business done.

But hold on a minute, Ruler Obama.  There's something else I want you to read before you put this letter down.  You see, I didn't include the whole quote from The Declaration of Independence above.  I left something off ... and here it is ...

---That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm of the opinion that when our elected leaders become so enamored of themselves, and of the government we have hired them to manage, they become a grave danger to those unalienable rights set forth in The Declaration – you know, the rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.  The Declaration says we may "pursue" happiness.  It does not guarantee it.  You and the party you represent seem to think that happiness is a right, and have created a government that has now become destructive of the very ends it was designed to support.

There's more than one way to alter or abolish at government, Ruler Obama.  We'll give one of them a good old college try in November.

Again .. thanks for your incursion into extemporaneous speech.  We've learned a lot from and about you in the last week.

With all DUE Respect.
Neal Boortz.

[Gaspar]

[Hoss]

Proving my point...

[Gaspar]

Proving my point...

No one ever has a clear understanding of your "point," but you're welcome.

[Hoss]

No one ever has a clear understanding of your "point," but you're welcome.

You've made your point clear over the last 3.5 years.

And I'm glad you know how everyone on here thinks about my 'point'.  Maybe you should seek employment as a clairvoyant.

[Gaspar]

You've made your point clear over the last 3.5 years.

And I'm glad you know how everyone on here thinks about my 'point'.  Maybe you should seek employment as a clairvoyant.

Join the network.  I'll give you your first call free!

[Red Arrow]

Keep trying.  I'm not discounting those guys at all because I know what they did. 

I will always keep trying to understand what you post.  Sometimes it is more difficult than others.

[Conan71]

"If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why no previous president has ever uttered such nonsense and how that doesn't come off as offensive to people who built their own business.

He's not making a point that employees or customers made this happen.  He's making a blatant statement that if you've been successful you owe the government and everyone else for that success because, ostensibly, government and society get to take credit for your success and hard work.

Taking the whole speech into consideration, that is the clumsiest plea for raising taxes I've seen in my 46 years.  

Instead of crafting a message of class envy or trying to guilt the successful, how about simply saying: "We are in deep trouble with debt and deficits.  We have to raise revenue and we need everyone to sacrifice a little.  Everyone needs to depend a little less on government and everyone needs to chip in a little more to help turn this around."

In retrospect, I take back the statement this was clumsy.  He knows damn well what he's doing, he's going back to the 1%'er bogeyman and thinks he can create resentment for Romney's success and wealth as a carefully laid strategy to reclaim the White House.  It's obvious from the whisper campaigns about Romney being a tax cheat and felon they will even delve into slander and libel to meet their ends.  

Typical Chicago sleaze.

[AquaMan]

Absolutely hopeless. Weird philosophies defended as though they make sense. Redefining words, speeches and speaking to fit political dogma. Total lack of communication and empathy. You guys have it all and anyone who sees otherwise is the problem.

I once heard a biologist explain evolution as chaotic and without logic. She said it is not so much change based on survivability as much as it is random. But the change itself is inevitable.

You guys are Tulsa. And Tulsa is in deep Guido.

[Gaspar]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why no previous president has ever uttered such nonsense and how that doesn't come off as offensive to people who built their own business.

He's not making a point that employees or customers made this happen.  He's making a blatant statement that if you've been successful you owe the government and everyone else for that success because, ostensibly, government and society get to take credit for your success and hard work.

Taking the whole speech into consideration, that is the clumsiest plea for raising taxes I've seen in my 46 years.  

Instead of crafting a message of class envy or trying to guilt the successful, how about simply saying: "We are in deep trouble with debt and deficits.  We have to raise revenue and we need everyone to sacrifice a little.  Everyone needs to depend a little less on government and everyone needs to chip in a little more to help turn this around."

In retrospect, I take back the statement this was clumsy.  He knows damn well what he's doing, he's going back to the 1%'er bogeyman and thinks he can create resentment for Romney's success and wealth as a carefully laid strategy to reclaim the White House.  It's obvious from the whisper campaigns about Romney being a tax cheat and felon they will even delve into slander and libel to meet their ends.  

Typical Chicago sleaze.

When we look back at President Carter we feel an awkward pang at hearing his words in the famed Malaise Speech because they represented the first time a president ever turned blame for his own failure on the american people.  Both Democrats and Republicans agree that it was an embarrassing moment for this country, and an important lesson.

At this point, I can't even count how many speeches President Obama has given that represent embarrassment, or how many weeks of spin and qualification other democrats and the media has toiled over to rescue him from his own statements.  Democrats defended Carter too and tried to qualify his behavior, but now in retrospect the truth of the that moment is undebatable.  

It is obvious now that in the years to come President Obama's words will serve to set back the progressive movement just as Carter's did.  Every time he goes off prompter and express his own unscripted position, he does damage to the Democrat party.  They have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, and thousands of hours in PR initiatives to defend or re-defign his meaning.  Each attempt more awkward and clumsy than the last.

This weeks network news has been hilarious.  Full of "What he meant was. . .", and "What the president was trying to say was. . .", and "I think where the president was going was. . ."

Jimmy Carter must be ecstatic!  The "You Didn't Build That" speech is now a part of American history, and it too teaches a valuable lesson.

[Gaspar]

Absolutely hopeless. Weird philosophies defended as though they make sense. Redefining words, speeches and speaking to fit political dogma. Total lack of communication and empathy. You guys have it all and anyone who sees otherwise is the problem.

I once heard a biologist explain evolution as chaotic and without logic. She said it is not so much change based on survivability as much as it is random. But the change itself is inevitable.

You guys are Tulsa. And Tulsa is in deep Guido.

Now come on Aqua, there is always hope.  The world if full of opportunity.

. . .and don't hate Tulsa people so much.

[Red Arrow]

Weird philosophies defended as though they make sense. Redefining words, speeches and speaking to fit political dogma. Total lack of communication and empathy.

I thought you supported the Obama Administration.  Change your mind?

[AquaMan]

Gas, you're weird. Sort of an educated version of Sauer. No offense, just noting.

You don't have to hate Tulsa to know that with the conversations displayed here, we are in deep trouble. But if you look a little farther West you can confirm our miasma. OKC may be redneck and plain but they know how to get things done without relying on or perhaps in spite of, political dogma. It is paralyzing here.

My personal optimism is at a 10 year high actually. I have much to be thankful for and only wish I could share like Kaiser, Zarrow, Warrens et al. But I was not blessed with that type of success so I try to help everyone personally that I can with what I have learned. The Tulsans I know and love personally, think I am a positive, well informed, humorous, generous person but they will likely never make it onto this forum.

But enough about me. You're weird.