You did not do that!

[Red Arrow]

To only use the economic determinants in buying transportation would probably put us all in diesel vehicles and seriously depress auto dealerships.

Diesel cars are available.  I believe VW has at least one but I don't know the price.  There are also BMW, Mercedes, and probably Audi but their initial price would not fit the examples being discussed.

[nathanm]

Diesel cars are available.  I believe VW has at least one but I don't know the price.  There are also BMW, Mercedes, and probably Audi but their initial price would not fit the examples being discussed.

A little over a decade ago when I was looking at a diesel Jetta the the mid-range model was going for about $25,000. They quit selling them in 2002 or so. I believe they restarted production of the Diesel Jetta in 2009 or 2010.

[AquaMan]

I see someone's been hitting the sauce a little heavy today.

Okay, a little rum and coke. But just enough to clear my head.

[nathanm]

Okay, a little rum and coke. But just enough to clear my head.

I'd tell you to look up, but nobody should have to see that.

[Red Arrow]

Okay, a little rum and coke.

OK, that explains:

I like to think I am one of the logical liberals

[AquaMan]

I'll be so happy when the political season is over. So we can get back to whatever it was we found so compelling before the political season.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'll be so happy when the political season is over. So we can get back to whatever it was we found so compelling before the political season.

If I remember correctly, I think it was "Marshalls"....


VW is not that great in the diesel world.  They are having some chronic electrical problems in Beetle, and the Jetta is horrendous to ride any length of time (another week long rental). 


I am ready to buy when Subaru starts bringing their diesel.  Or Toyota.  Have an ex family member who spent quite a bit of time driving Toyota diesel in southeast Asia and he had excellent results.  Mercedes is ok, but who wants to put that kind of money on a public street??  Insane.

[nathanm]

Mercedes is ok, but who wants to put that kind of money on a public street??  Insane.

Avis and Hertz.

[Red Arrow]

...and the Jetta is horrendous to ride any length of time (another week long rental). 

Just curious, uncomfortable seat or what?  I rented and rode in some Chrysler products of the late 90s and early 00s that destroyed my back in less than an hour.  I had to put my jacket (fortunately it was winter) between the small of my back and the seat after only about 1/2 hr in (I think it was) a Sebring.  The car drove OK but the seat killed me.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Just curious, uncomfortable seat or what?  I rented and rode in some Chrysler products of the late 90s and early 00s that destroyed my back in less than an hour.  I had to put my jacket (fortunately it was winter) between the small of my back and the seat after only about 1/2 hr in (I think it was) a Sebring.  The car drove OK but the seat killed me.

The seat was uncomfortable.  The seat position is wrong for me.  The front edge of the seat is too far "up" at the front for the relative position front to back.  The seat has those little "wings" on each side that hold you in place so you can drive like a race car driver...I hate that because it limits the sideways movement.  Don't really like the console going through the middle of the seats.  The foam used in recent years is a trade off between durability and comfort, and they lost on that deal. 

Toyota Sienna and Honda Odyssey are both pretty decent, while the Kia Sedona would be my preferred minivan - I liked it a lot - with a decent seat, which it doesn't have.  Chevy Minivan - meh... other, much larger problems than just seating.

Ford Fusion was a very pleasant surprise to drive.  Subaru Legacy in the past was the most comfortable small car I have driven, but that was about 8 years ago.  Don't know how they are now.

Old VW beetle was good, in spite of the suspension limitations (maybe I just liked not having to clutch after first gear...?) and the new Beetle is pretty weak, like so many of the new tiny cars.

When I talk ride, it is almost never about the stiffness of the suspension...I drive a Dodge Ram - almost as good as a deuce and a half for suspension.  Don't mind the log truck aspect of the ride - but the seat must be comfortable.  I tend to put a lot of miles on vehicles I drive and if I am gonna drive from here to Seattle (or Poland Spring, Maine), I want to be able to walk after the trip without a short hospital stay.

Air ride in a big truck is sweet!  Want that in the Dodge, or the Toyotas.  But not likely to happen.

[guido911]

I think this guy has taken Obama out of context again... 

[Townsend]

I want to use this sign to urge other businesspeople to stand up and say 'Mr. President, you're wrong. I built my business,'" he told FoxNews.com. "I represent the majority of business owners in my belief."

I wonder who represents the other business owners in his belief.

[Hoss]

I wonder who represents the other business owners in his belief.

Hmm...only one or two letters difference...let me see....

[Conan71]

I think this guy has taken Obama out of context again... 

B, buh, but... He built that business right on a public thoroughfare that the government paid for with tax dollars paid by businesses and individuals

[Townsend]

with tax dollars paid by businesses and individuals

Wasn't that the point?