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Tax returns are a deal breaker

Started by RecycleMichael, August 05, 2012, 10:50:19 PM

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JCnOwasso

Regardless of who wins the election, let me play out the next few terms...

2012- Party X wins-- Makes tons of promises during campaign and can't follow through because he needs congress to get them to his desk and congress can't do anything because you have a small sect of members who are blocking anything that comes through.  Mid term election comes and the minority party is now the majorrity party and they oppose the president on everything.  Term is considered a failure by opposite side and a success by the other.  One party points to the previous administrations policies that have put us in this position and the other party says it is your [subject] now.

2016- Party X wins-- Makes tons of promises during campaign and can't follow through.  Mid term election comes and the majority party is now the minority party and they oppose the president on everything.  Term is considered a failure on one side and a success on another side.  One party points to the previous administrations policies that have put us in this position and the other party says it is your [subject] now.

2020-- rinse and repeat.

yay for post 200!

 

Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on August 08, 2012, 08:01:56 AM
This is what I love about the Republicans.  Spin the message away from the topic. Did I ever say I held them in high regard? 

You must hold them in high regard to value their opinion about Romney releasing his tax returns so much as to bring them up as a prime example of why Romney should release his tax returns to the public.
 

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 07:51:35 AM
I guess you needed to say that.  We obviously disagree.

The shoe fits. You haven't even bothered to dispute my statement. Do you not think that the nonpublic interpretations of the tax code are important to understanding how it operates? Or should I just go scrape together a few million dollars and give it to a raft of tax attorneys so they can tell me how it works (and make me sign an NDA in the process so I can't tell you)? I find it hard to believe that you don't think that some transparency here would be a good thing. It seems like you're more worried about your candidate than your country.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln


Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on August 08, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
You haven't even bothered to dispute my statement.

We are so far apart that discussion is useless.  We are each just repeating ourselves.
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
You must hold them in high regard to value their opinion about Romney releasing his tax returns so much as to bring them up as a prime example of why Romney should release his tax returns to the public.

I use them as an example of, let's say, tigers eating their young.  Pretty harsh comparison, but hey?

Yet you won't mention anything about your opinion on whether or not this will be an issue if he lets it continue into the early fall.  Which means you secretly may.  If not, my apologies and I defer to Gas for clairvoyant assistance.

Red Arrow

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Quote from: Hoss on August 08, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
I use them as an example of, let's say, tigers eating their young.  Pretty harsh comparison, but hey?

Hey, whatever.

QuoteYet you won't mention anything about your opinion on whether or not this will be an issue if he lets it continue into the early fall.  

It will remain an issue to voters like you, RM, and Nathan, who has lowered himself to posting personal insults against me.   Time will tell if it remains a significant issue to the greater voting public.  I have already stated that I don't care if Romney does or does not  release his tax returns to the public.

Edit:
I just remembered someone saying on July 29,
QuoteBelieve it or not RA, people are not indemnified to answer you if they don't want to.
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 08:18:09 PM
Hey, whatever.

It will remain an issue to voters like you, RM, and Nathan, who has lowered himself to posting personal insults against me.   Time will tell if it remains a significant issue to the greater voting public.  I have already stated that I don't care if Romney does or does not  release his tax returns to the public.

Edit:
I just remembered someone saying on July 29,

And that's fine as well.  But you continue to defend his inaction regarding his tax returns.  I will continue to say it will be his undoing.  I'm not the one who keeps answering in defense of him.

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 08:18:09 PM
who has lowered himself to posting personal insults against me

"Ignorant" isn't an insult. It merely means you do not know something. I prefer to believe that than to think you're being deliberately disingenuous. I didn't call you an idiot, since that's clearly not the case. It simply is ignorant to state that reading the tax code can enlighten one as to how it is twisted and reinterpreted by people with expensive lawyers.

I agree that the tax code is far too complex. It is riddled with provisions that apply to only a few people that were slipped in there in secrecy and never debated. That needs to be fixed. The deductions and loopholes we all know about aren't really the problem. It's the stuff we don't know about that would have light shed on it by Romney's past returns. Once again, I'd be perfectly content with him releasing only the ones too old for the IRS to do anything about. I'm not after punishment, I'm after a solution. We can't possibly have a solution without first knowing where we stand.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on August 08, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
"Ignorant" isn't an insult. It merely means you do not know something. I prefer to believe that than to think you're being deliberately disingenuous.

I consider both to be an insult.  Ignorant has negative connotations beyond being uninformed.  Just because I don't fall in lockstep to your opinions doesn't mean I am ignorant.  You have read enough of my posts to know when I am being a smarta$$ and when I am not.  If you want to play the disingenuous game, I'm not buying your attempts to legitimize the call for Romney's tax returns other than you think he is a tax cheat.
 

Red Arrow

Quote from: Hoss on August 08, 2012, 09:47:55 PM
And that's fine as well.  But you continue to defend his inaction regarding his tax returns.  I will continue to say it will be his undoing.  I'm not the one who keeps answering in defense of him.

You too are beginning to sound like a broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...
 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
I consider both to be an insult.  Ignorant has negative connotations beyond being uninformed.  Just because I don't fall in lockstep to your opinions doesn't mean I am ignorant.  You have read enough of my posts to know when I am being a smarta$$ and when I am not.  If you want to play the disingenuous game, I'm not buying your attempts to legitimize the call for Romney's tax returns other than you think he is a tax cheat.

I keep saying where there is smoke.....

;)

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Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 10:51:00 PMYou too are beginning to sound like a broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...broken record...

And you don't?

Defend
Defend
Defend
Defend
Defend.

See a pattern emerging?

It's like putting your fingers over your ears and screaming 'lalalalalala' until it can't be heard anymore  

This just isn't going away until Willard puts it to rest. He has the power.

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Red Arrow

 

Hoss

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2012, 10:59:24 PMYep, you can't come up with anything new.

And you are?  This is a single issue without ambiguity.

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