Tax returns are a deal breaker

[Hoss]

Actually I did go through Romney's tax return.  If you remember, back when you were weaving one of your typical threads around Romney's Olympic experience, and you made an implication that he paid NO taxes by using his wife's horse as a deduction.  I posted his 2010 return to show that you were full of it as usual.  He paid $4.6 million in taxes that year and the deduction from his wife's horse only amounted to $46 out of the $77,682 loss he incurred.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=19173.msg242908#msg242908

You then posted:
Then you attempted to attack him for setting up his wife's horse in a LLC.  Why, I don't know, because it doesn't make a lick of sense, but for some reason I guess you think than anyone who sets up a company is somehow trying to game the system.  If you have a muliti-million dollar investment like that horse, its care, facilities, training and do not set it up as an LLC you are a moron. 

Your goal was to make his sacrifice of $77,682 a year supporting his wife's dream sound like some evil conspiritory way to avoid taxation, ignoring his return, ignoring the taxes he actually paid, ignoring the fact $77,682 was essentially a total loss, and basically just ignoring. 

I admire you RM, and I'm sorry to be so pointed in this post.  My style is usually not to attack the poster, but when facts are presented and they refute your posts, you conveniently duck away and allow the lesser minds to create a garbled tapestry of one liners and playground retorts to cover your escape.  You then emerge on a new thread only to repeat the process.  We are all guilty of this to some extent, but lately you seem to have made the practice into an art form.

. . .here come the booger-flingers.

First booger.

You guys can spin this any way you want to, this just won't go away for Mittens until he squashes it.  It was an issue for fellow Republicans during primary season, but now that the Dems have called him out on it, it's no longer an issue?

My grandfather once told me 'where there's smoke, there's fire'.

[RecycleMichael]

Your goal was to make his sacrifice of $77,682 a year supporting his wife's dream sound like some evil conspiritory way to avoid taxation, ignoring his return, ignoring the taxes he actually paid, ignoring the fact $77,682 was essentially a total loss, and basically just ignoring. 

That was not my goal. I wanted to point out that Romney is not like most Americans. Few of us anually spend $77,000 on a hobby and expect to write it off as a business expense.

It is horse dancing for Christ's sake. In life, there are work horses and show horses. Romney is clearly a show horse.

[Conan71]

it's about not passing up a historic opportunity to see how it is our tax code is being used/abused by the very wealthy.

No, it's about obfuscating the few accomplishments Obama can run on.  This is nothing more than a shameless whisper campaign full of innuendo, half truths, and outright falsehoods.  Obama can't run on accomplishments so he's got to go right to character. 

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!!"

[tulsa_fan]

At least those people released their returns, in spite of possible criticism, so that you could determine their charitable giving. This guy won't give you that opportunity. "just trust me"

Actually, in another 2 minutes of looking, I found Romney's 2010 tax return and found that he had donated about $2.9M to charities.  The point being his returns are there too, maybe not 10 years, but I didn't find 10 years of Obama or Biden either with the same amount of effort (not saying they aren't there, just not easily found)

[RecycleMichael]

Obama can't run on accomplishments so he's got to go right to character. 

I am tired of this lame argument.

You have yet to write a single argument for Romney. All you do is attack Obama.

Kettle, meet pot.

[Gaspar]

I am tired of this lame argument.

You have yet to write a single argument for Romney. All you do is attack Obama.

Kettle, meet pot.

It is a difficult argument.  We continually site Romney's business experience, financial track record, and leadership over decades in both the private sector and government, but we also understand that you don't consider those types of things as positive credentials for governance, economic management or decision making.

So, as long as we continue to present Romney's history and track record, you will find nothing that appeals to you.  He simply does not offer the same magic as President Obama.  He never became a community organizer, or president of the Harvard Law review (without writing a single law review), or a lawyer, or a college professor.  He never won the Nobel prize for simply being himself.   He doesn't play much golf.  He hasn't written any books about himself.

Apparently, you are correct.  There is no liberal argument for Romney.

[RecycleMichael]

Oh, community organizer again. You act as if that is the only job he ever had before politics. That was his job while going to law school.

Obama was a private practice attorney and taught constitutional law for eight years.

Romney was a church missionary in France for 2 and a half years.

[Conan71]

I am tired of this lame argument.

You have yet to write a single argument for Romney. All you do is attack Obama.

Kettle, meet pot.

Actually I have:

-Competent business leader with a long track record of success (though you wouldn't know it from Obama's ads)
-By all accounts a very devoted family man
-Proven bi-partisan leadership as governor of Massachusetts
-Turned a losing proposition with the Olympics into a winner

Three of those four items all point to strong leadership skills, something which is necessary to lead the country. 

Ever notice that the Obama campaign has not zeroed in on Romney's years as governor or the head of the SLC Olympics?  Now why would that be?
They make it sound like GST Steel is the only investment Bain was ever involved in.

Obama is either a hypocrite or following his own words since he has no new ideas or a record to run on:

"If you don't have a record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone people should run from."

Obama is living up to his words. He can't run on his record, so he has to deflect attenion away from that and make it about Romney. Saul Alinsky at work. (D)eflect attention away from one's self. (I)solate the target. (P)olarize the target in the eyes of others, then (P)ersonally attack the target. Let's hear Barack Obama in his own words about what people who do not have any fresh idea will do. This was as Matt mentioned back in 2008 at the Democratic National Convention.

http://wakeupblackamerica.blogspot.com/2012/07/obama-was-against-personal-attack.html

[RecycleMichael]

-By all accounts a very devoted family man

I will give you that one. He even gave his sons a hundred million dollars without paying any gift tax.

Wait. How is that possible? If only we had his tax returns.

[Gaspar]

Oh, community organizer again. You act as if that is the only job he ever had before politics. That was his job while going to law school.

Obama was a private practice attorney and taught constitutional law for eight years.

Romney was a church missionary in France for 2 and a half years.

Fair enough. I have changed it.

[Conan71]

I will give you that one. He even gave his sons a hundred million dollars without paying any gift tax.

Wait. How is that possible? If only we had his tax returns.

Romney didn't write the tax code and apparently, he's acted perfectly legally.  He engages in the exact same tax avoidance schemes as Obama's biggest donors and bundlers.

That said, I'm still trying to get adopted by the Romney family, but he's not returning my calls and letters.  I just keep getting visits from LDS missionaries.

[Gaspar]

I just keep getting visits from LDS missionaries.

Let them in.  They're trying to fix you.

[Townsend]

It's getting nastier:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/politics/reid-romney-taxes/index.html?on.cnn=1

Reid puts Romney in a bind over taxes

[JCnOwasso]

I don't think it is an issue of him not wanting to release for political reasons... I think he doesn't want to for religious reasons.  He probably didn't "tithe" what he should have and exposing that would damage his clout with the Mormon church.  I really don't care either way.  But the Right sure wanted Obama to release his birth certificate and beat that dead horse for 3 years.... and continue to even after the fact.  because they know as long as you cast that doubt, some of those swing voters will vote the other direction. 

As usual, it is a political p*ssing match.

[Oil Capital]

Romney should release more tax returns the day after Obama releases his college records.  ;-)