Tax returns are a deal breaker

[nathanm]

I consider both to be an insult.

Sorry, I guess this is just yet another thing we don't agree on.

If you want to play the disingenuous game, I'm not buying your attempts to legitimize the call for Romney's tax returns other than you think he is a tax cheat.

I don't really appreciate being (essentially) called a liar. You might go back and look at some of my posts from earlier this year about taxation. I was harping on it long before Romney's returns were made an issue. Am I being opportunistic? Definitely. I see a rare opportunity to shed light on how our tax system actually works for those at the top. I don't really care if he cheated on his taxes. I'm not going to vote for the guy anyway.  It would be possible to change my mind on that, but Romney refusing to come out with concrete proposals on tax policy certainly isn't helping. Nor are his calls to increase defense spending when we're already bleeding red ink something I'm terribly interested in. If he'd be somewhat less Republican about it and at least call for an increase in NASA's budget or something else where we don't already outspend the rest of the world combined, I might be more interested.

I'd also like for him to stop saying he'll repeal Obamacare if he doesn't have a plan to replace it with something. I don't think there's a single person in this country who actually thinks our health care system works for most people, yet he proposes nothing but more of the same.

[Gaspar]

[Hoss]

As usual, something of substance from the clairvoyant.

[AquaMan]

Take a deep breath group.

I seldom see ignorant people posting here, but I often read posts that are based on mistrust of motives, poor factual basis and lack of proper credible sources. I know that sometimes applies to myself when I get rolling. To call someone ignorant is dismissive and pejorative. It may be accurate in English but not respectful in conversation.

Politics is a stupid game, managed by people with agendas that aren't always visible. Talking politics is like standing near your wife during natural childbirth. She's going to call you names, slap you if she can and blame you for her pain. Then its all over and you resume normal level confrontation.

[Red Arrow]

I don't really appreciate being (essentially) called a liar.

Yea, I know how you feel.  That disingenuous term can do that.

[nathanm]

I don't recall questioning your motives. I'll go back and reread.

[Red Arrow]

I don't recall questioning your motives. I'll go back and reread.

From the dictionary I used in college:

disingenuous - not ingenuous; lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; insincere.

I was being straightforward in my posts. No hidden agenda. No alternate agenda.  For you to claim otherwise is to call me a liar.

[nathanm]

I was being straightforward in my posts. No hidden agenda. No alternate agenda.  For you to claim otherwise is to call me a liar.

Yes, it would be calling you a liar after you've specifically stated there is no hidden motivation. My intention was not to call you a liar, and I'm sorry that I ended up communicating that rather than what I intended.

[Townsend]

Mitt Romney Says He Never Paid Less Than 13 Percent In Taxes

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/mitt-romney-says-he-never-paid-less-than-13-percent-in-taxes/

GREER – Mitt Romney said today he has not paid less than a 13 percent taxes during the past ten years. The candidate had told ABC News' David Muir last month that he'd be "happy to go back and look" at his returns.
The tax issue has been a touchy one for Romney and he made clear that he feels there are more important issues on which to concentrate.
"I just have to say given the challenges that America faces 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty, the fascination with  taxes I paid I find to be very small minded compared to the broad issues we face," he said. "But I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that," said Romney today during a press conference on a tarmac in South Carolina, where the candidate came to attend a fundraiser.

During the interview with Muir in Jerusalem last month, Romney was asked whether he had ever paid a tax rate lower than the 13.9 percent effective rate he paid in 2010.
"I haven't calculated that," Romney responded at the time. "I'm happy to go back and look, but my view is I have paid all of the taxes required by law."
At the time, Romney's inability to answer the question led to criticism from Democrats who want Romney to publicly release tax returns. Romney has released his tax returns for 2010 and a preliminary filing for 2011.
One top Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, had accused Reid of not paying taxes in some years. Reid said he had gotten a tip from someone who had worked with Romney at Bain. But there is no evidence to suggest there was any validity to Reid's charge.
With the comment in South Carolina on Thursday, Romney sought to put at least some of the questions to rest.
"So I've paid taxes every single year. Harry Reid's charge is totally false," Romney said. "I'm sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don't believe it for a minute by the way. But every year I've paid at least 13 percent and if you add in addition the amount that goes to charity, well the number gets well above 20 percent."
Democrats, predictably, said they won't believe Romney until he actually releases the tax returns.
"Since there is substantial reason to doubt his claims, we have a simple message for him: prove it,"said Obama campaign spokeswoman Lis Smith in a statement. "Even though he's invested millions in foreign tax havens, offshore shell corporations, and a Swiss bank account, he's still asking the American people to trust him. However, given Mitt Romney's secrecy about his returns, coupled with the revelations in just the one return we have seen to date and the inconsistencies between this one return and his other financial disclosures, he has forfeited the right to have us take him just at his word."

[nathanm]

Interesting that he says he "paid taxes" every year. Note what he did not say, that he "paid income taxes" every year.

[Hoss]

Uh oh....

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/03/13636468-romney-bain-under-investigation-for-tax-avoidance

And before you righties get your panties in a bunch, I'm not saying Romney has evaded, but they are investigating his old corporation.  It goes to the culture of how things are, so to speak.

In old news, he still hasn't released more of them.

[Teatownclown]

RMoney is a real contrast to our way of life....his issues are taxing me.
ROMNEY CAMPAIGN ASKED FOR 10 YEARS OF TAX RETURNS FROM VP SHORT LIST |  The Romney campaign required each of the candidates on its vice presidential short list to hand over 10 years of tax returns, the Daily Beast reported Thursday. That's eight more years of returns than Romney himself has revealed to the American public — a move for which he's been ridiculed from Republicans and Democrats alike. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) previously indicated that he had been required to turn over a "bunch" of returns during the vetting process, but did not give a specific number.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/13/841631/romney-returns-vp-shortlist/


Wow. I'm thinking he's an Obama beard.

[Hoss]

RMoney is a real contrast to our way of life....his issues are taxing me.
ROMNEY CAMPAIGN ASKED FOR 10 YEARS OF TAX RETURNS FROM VP SHORT LIST |  The Romney campaign required each of the candidates on its vice presidential short list to hand over 10 years of tax returns, the Daily Beast reported Thursday. That's eight more years of returns than Romney himself has revealed to the American public — a move for which he's been ridiculed from Republicans and Democrats alike. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) previously indicated that he had been required to turn over a "bunch" of returns during the vetting process, but did not give a specific number.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/13/841631/romney-returns-vp-shortlist/


Wow. I'm thinking he's an Obama beard.

Erfalf on spin duty in 3....2.....1

[Conan71]

Daily Beast???

I suspect their sources are the same ones who told Harry Reid that Romney paid no taxes.

White rabbits.

[erfalf]

Erfalf on spin duty in 3....2.....1

Would logic really matter?