Mitts Pick

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What if I say I am a history major

You would have my sympathy.

[Hoss]

Again, am only I not to judge?

What if I say I am a history major that has toured the world and went to public schools?

I would take you at face value until proved otherwise.

[Conan71]

You guys care to drop the ad hominems and stick to the topic?  It's getting mighty old.

[erfalf]

You must be incredibly dizzy after typing that out.  Especially since you didn't answer my question.

•   Cancelled 2009 National Day of Prayer, however he seemed to reinstate it after that didn't go over well.
•   Didn't fill the religious freedom ambassador positions in the state department for the better part of two years, only after outside pressure did he do this.
•   He nominated three abortion supporters to be US ambassadors to the Vatican (seriously?). After pressure from the Vatican, he chose more appropriate ambassadors.
•   Seems to want any indication of Christian beliefs not included in any public displays.
•   Whether intentionally or unintentional, he thinks our national motto is "E pluribus Unum", when it is "In God we Trust". Unfortunately the contractors at the Visitor Center had the same problem.
•   Reversed health care conscience clause established by Bush.
•   The "cling to guns and religion" thing, like that's only something knuckly dragging Oklahomans do.
•   Not only does he advocate for abortion, he personally advocated for the extermination of babies that survived abortions.
•   Seems to protect virtually everyone else from free speech except religious organizations.
•   No religious references during Thanksgiving speeches.
•   Seems to have a knack for leaving out the "by our creator" phrase when reciting the Declaration.
•   He converted to Christianity (according to his autobiographies (2)) sometime around 1987-88 AND sometime in the 1990s.
•   Dumped his prior church due to political pressure (I doubt anyone could make me do the same if I was as close to the pastor as he claimed to be).

Why would he do all these things if he were decidedly (and not conveniently) a Christian? He is a politician first, maybe a Christian distant second. I believe that if he felt he needed to be atheist to win the election, it would be done. Funny thing is I care little if the President is or is not a Christian. I do care that he is honest with me. That is what I want the President to be. He can be Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or Morman, I don't care. But what I know about this President, is that everything is fair game when it comes to political gain.

It is funny that the post that spawned this, the part about Obama was actually an afterthought of the main point. The main point being that a couple of Catholics and a Morman are running. At no point in history have we had a field like this. But you zero in on something that was (as I'm sure you know) supposed to be just a funny little line. Regardless of its sincerity, you interpret it as an attack on your guy.

Sorry Conan, I had this whole thing typed out before you posted that. But that's my point, and I'm sticking to it (like guns and religion  )

[Hoss]

•   Cancelled 2009 National Day of Prayer, however he seemed to reinstate it after that didn't go over well.
•   Didn't fill the religious freedom ambassador positions in the state department for the better part of two years, only after outside pressure did he do this.
•   He nominated three abortion supporters to be US ambassadors to the Vatican (seriously?). After pressure from the Vatican, he chose more appropriate ambassadors.
•   Seems to want any indication of Christian beliefs not included in any public displays.
•   Whether intentionally or unintentional, he thinks our national motto is "E pluribus Unum", when it is "In God we Trust". Unfortunately the contractors at the Visitor Center had the same problem.
•   Reversed health care conscience clause established by Bush.
•   The "cling to guns and religion" thing, like that's only something knuckly dragging Oklahomans do.
•   Not only does he advocate for abortion, he personally advocated for the extermination of babies that survived abortions.
•   Seems to protect virtually everyone else from free speech except religious organizations.
•   No religious references during Thanksgiving speeches.
•   Seems to have a knack for leaving out the "by our creator" phrase when reciting the Declaration.
•   He converted to Christianity (according to his autobiographies (2)) sometime around 1987-88 AND sometime in the 1990s.
•   Dumped his prior church due to political pressure (I doubt anyone could make me do the same if I was as close to the pastor as he claimed to be).

Why would he do all these things if he were decidedly (and not conveniently) a Christian? He is a politician first, maybe a Christian distant second. I believe that if he felt he needed to be atheist to win the election, it would be done. Funny thing is I care little if the President is or is not a Christian. I do care that he is honest with me. That is what I want the President to be. He can be Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or Morman, I don't care. But what I know about this President, is that everything is fair game when it comes to political gain.

It is funny that the post that spawned this, the part about Obama was actually an afterthought of the main point. The main point being that a couple of Catholics and a Morman are running. At no point in history have we had a field like this. But you zero in on something that was (as I'm sure you know) supposed to be just a funny little line. Regardless of its sincerity, you interpret it as an attack on your guy.

Sorry Conan, I had this whole thing typed out before you posted that. But that's my point, and I'm sticking to it (like guns and religion  )

Note all the 'seems to' in your references.  And I'll leave it at that.  That makes it personal opinion.  We all know what is said about those.

And C, I'd like to for you to point out the ad-hominems in here by me.  If you are indeed inferring that I'm using them.

[AquaMan]

This is always what happens when Christians are critical of anything, or when someone is loosing an argument to Christians. That exact quote is pulled up because you know that the opposition will cower in fear out of fear of being a hypocrite. But, it's BS. For you to come on here and say not to judge is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. Or is it that only I am not to judge.

Here's whats BS. When Christians decide they are more Christian than other Christians and pre-suppose what happens to all Christians.

I am Christian, since I was 16, and I can't recognize any of the things you're saying as particularly Christian in nature. I am critical of everything yet I don't fear people disagreeing with me and I never feel its because of my faith. My behaviors don't necessarily represent my Christian beliefs.

You sound pretty intelligent about tax matters....

[RecycleMichael]

•   Cancelled 2009 National Day of Prayer, however he seemed to reinstate it after that didn't go over well.

Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W Bush only held events once each in their terms. No controversy at all. Obama skipped it and you hyper-partisans scream he is Muslim and hates Christians.

Barack Obama has now held an event in three of his fours years as President.

But according to erfalf, we must continue to spread misinformation.

[RecycleMichael]

Funny thing is I care little if the President is or is not a Christian. I do care that he is honest with me. That is what I want the President to be. He can be Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or Morman, I don't care.

Liar. You are the one who keeps bringing up religion.

[Gaspar]

Who gives a sh!t if the president lights a candle, says a prayer or blesses a biscuit!  

His job is to be the chief executive of the country.  

His faith, or lack thereof belongs to him, not you!

Approve or disapprove of him, but do so based on his performance at his job, not what direction he turns when he prays!

The discussion of the candidates religion simply offers another convenient smoke screen to move people away from discussing the MOST important issue. . .

THE ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES

[Townsend]

The discussion of the candidates religion simply offers another convenient smoke screen to move people away from discussing the MOST important issue. . .

THE ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES

AND MORAL TURPITUDE

[RecycleMichael]

The discussion of the candidates religion simply offers another convenient smoke screen to move people away from discussing the MOST important issue. . .

THE ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES

Have patience. The party conventions are coming up.

The Ryan budget will be quite the topic in both conventions.

[Teatownclown]

Liar. You are the one who keeps bringing up religion.

I hold that distinction...proudly. If you think a President's religious ideals have nothing to do with their governing, bs.

Erlaf, I will not take your atheist jokes as a personal affront.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Again, am only I not to judge?

What if I say I am a history major that has toured the world and went to public schools?

We would know better from direct past experience.
Well, maybe the public schools part....

[Gaspar]

Have patience. The party conventions are coming up.

The Ryan budget will be quite the topic in both conventions.

I'd like to see that at the DNC, but I doubt we will.  Reason being that it will offer too many targets for the other side.  For three years the President has proposed his own budget framework and for three years his own party has rejected it.  If he chooses to make the convention about budget, republicans are going to celebrate that and the media will have little ammunition to defend him with.

The Ryan budget was a by-partisan creation that passed the house, only to die in the Senate.  It was praised by Obama's own Deficit Reduction Committee, who as we know he choose to ignore.  It represents one of several budgets offered and passed by the house.  Every budget offered has been flatly denied passage by Democrats who understand the cuts necessary, but fear for their careers if they pass them.

Any discussion of the budget or the economy will be dangerous at the DNC.  I assume they will stick to social issues, education, and additional spending in green energy initiatives.  They need to buy votes, and to do so they need to make people think they are getting something for nothing.  College loan forgiveness, mortgage buyout and assistance, and the touting of the healthcare refunds many Americans are now receiving will be a focus.

[Townsend]

The Ryan budget was a by-partisan creation

You mean with Rivlin?