Presidential Candidate Accomplishments

[nathanm]

If I were Romney I would just be pounding on team Obama for his promises of transparency and things were going to be different. It has been anything but, well it may be different but not much. Many of the major pieces of legislation that many people are aware of were rammed through at break neck speed. It's something many people are aware of and understand.

Yeah, rammed right through that ObamaCare bill. It was only debated for a year.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Many of the major pieces of legislation that many people are aware of were rammed through at break neck speed. It's something many people are aware of and understand.

Apparently not.  You aren't even aware of the timeline and that was only 3 years ago.  When you were 27.  Certainly should have been to the age of awareness....

And yeah...it sounds like it's about your age again...but it isn't.  It is about how unaware of even the most recent history the story always shows.  

Get away from Fox once in a while.

[erfalf]

Apparently not.  You aren't even aware of the timeline and that was only 3 years ago.  When you were 27.  Certainly should have been to the age of awareness....

And yeah...it sounds like it's about your age again...but it isn't.  It is about how unaware of even the most recent history the story always shows.  

Get away from Fox once in a while.

I recall them just fine. In fact I recall them breaking their pledge to have legislation available for reading for 72 hours prior to votes.

I do have one more accomplishment for Obama. During his administration millions of American's an opportunity to find a new hobby.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199815/Obamas-DNC-2012-speech-Bleak-unemployment-numbers-morning-Obama-tells-DNC-problems-solved.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

I recall them just fine. In fact I recall them breaking their pledge to have legislation available for reading for 72 hours prior to votes.

I do have one more accomplishment for Obama. During his administration millions of American's an opportunity to find a new hobby.

Hmmm...ok...I downloaded 3 or 4 drafts in the couple weeks before it passed so I could look for "death panels" (there were none).  The thing was changing fast, so it really became an exercise in futility to do that.  I probably did have a few dozen pages missing near the end, but the major substance was there.  Didn't you look at it?


Philosophical question for you - are you gonna hypocritically take advantage of the benefits of the healthcare reform act while you are ranting so adamantly against it?  Or will you do the ethical, moral thing and adhere to your principles and reject any of the features of the bill, no matter what it may cost you or your family?

[Red Arrow]

Philosophical question for you - are you gonna hypocritically take advantage of the benefits of the healthcare reform act while you are ranting so adamantly against it?  Or will you do the ethical, moral thing and adhere to your principles and reject any of the features of the bill, no matter what it may cost you or your family?

That will probably happen when Warren Buffett voluntarily pays what he thinks his fair share of taxes are rather than the legal minimum.

[AquaMan]

That will probably happen when Warren Buffett voluntarily pays what he thinks his fair share of taxes are rather than the legal minimum.

What ticket is he running on?

[erfalf]

Hmmm...ok...I downloaded 3 or 4 drafts in the couple weeks before it passed so I could look for "death panels" (there were none).  The thing was changing fast, so it really became an exercise in futility to do that.  I probably did have a few dozen pages missing near the end, but the major substance was there.  Didn't you look at it?


Philosophical question for you - are you gonna hypocritically take advantage of the benefits of the healthcare reform act while you are ranting so adamantly against it?  Or will you do the ethical, moral thing and adhere to your principles and reject any of the features of the bill, no matter what it may cost you or your family?

First, the promise was to have bills available for 72 hours before passage (campaign promise broken) . Did not happen. Used a rule reserved for budgetary items (reconciliation), which in my opinion was a pretty big stretch. The "nuclear option" (which Obama denounced) was used to break the filibuster. And it was widely hated (I think polls usually had about 25% supporting it). Yes, I think it would be safe to say it was "rammed through" by pretty much any measure.

And you keep using that hypocrite line that is quit lame. You know as well as anyone, that no one is going to do things against their best interest within the bounds of the law. That is why it is so hard to compete with Democrats who keep promising all kinds of free stuff (that really isn't free).

[Hoss]

First, the promise was to have bills available for 72 hours before passage (campaign promise broken) . Did not happen. Used a rule reserved for budgetary items (reconciliation), which in my opinion was a pretty big stretch. The "nuclear option" (which Obama denounced) was used to break the filibuster. And it was widely hated (I think polls usually had about 25% supporting it). Yes, I think it would be safe to say it was "rammed through" by pretty much any measure.

And you keep using that hypocrite line that is quit lame. You know as well as anyone, that no one is going to do things against their best interest within the bounds of the law. That is why it is so hard to compete with Democrats who keep promising all kinds of free stuff (that really isn't free).

W.O.W.   

[Red Arrow]

What ticket is he running on?

Doesn't matter.  Heiron asked erflaf (who I believe is not a candidate for any public office):

Philosophical question for you - are you gonna hypocritically take advantage of the benefits of the healthcare reform act while you are ranting so adamantly against it?  Or will you do the ethical, moral thing and adhere to your principles and reject any of the features of the bill, no matter what it may cost you or your family?

[nathanm]

That is why it is so hard to compete with Democrats who keep promising all kinds of free stuff (that really isn't free).

Funny, it's the Democrats who seem to be saying that stuff needs to be paid for. You seem stuck in an earlier time.

[AquaMan]

Doesn't matter.  Heiron asked erflaf (who I believe is not a candidate for any public office):

I guess I miss the point. Are you saying it is not likely that any one, republican or democrat, will follow their own espoused principles and do the ethical, moral things?

Mullin just proved your point if so. He hates stimulus money and government handouts but was able to rationalize his acceptance of same.

[Hoss]

I guess I miss the point. Are you saying it is not likely that any one, republican or democrat, will follow their own espoused principles and do the ethical, moral things?

Mullin just proved your point if so. He hates stimulus money and government handouts but was able to rationalize his acceptance of same.

Doesn't matter.  That's only if the Dems do it.   

[Red Arrow]

Doesn't matter.  That's only if the Dems do it.   

You need to apply full opposite rudder, relax the backpressure, and recover from the resulting dive.

[nathanm]

You need to apply full opposite rudder, relax the backpressure, and recover from the resulting dive.

It sounds so easy when you say it like that.

[erfalf]

I guess I miss the point. Are you saying it is not likely that any one, republican or democrat, will follow their own espoused principles and do the ethical, moral things?

Mullin just proved your point if so. He hates stimulus money and government handouts but was able to rationalize his acceptance of same.

Paying more or less taxes is not a moral issue. Murder or theft is a moral issue. If you say tax rates should be higher, and then not paying higher taxes in the meantime does not make you a hypocrite of diminish your argument (at least to me) in the lease. I understand there are legitimate reasons for just about everything. That just doesn't mean they are the best solutions.

On the flip side, if I think taxes should be lower, does that mean I get to pay less taxes because it would be the "ethical thing to do". See where this argument falls apart? It's not exactly the same but it feels similar to people who pull out the race card when they want the argument shut down. That's just my opinion mind you. Nothing personal against you. I have heard plenty of people use that argument.