TulsaNow's thoughts on Vision2

[Admin]

The TulsaNow board and special guests brainstormed, researched, and came up with this. It is far from perfect but perfection takes more than a few weeks.

http://tulsanow.org/index.php/2012/08/double-vision/


Thoughts?

[Townsend]

Reminder:  Tonight's the first meeting

Monday, August 27, 5:30 - 7:30 p.m.
Tulsa Webster High School Auditorium
1919 West 40th St.

[carltonplace]

The TulsaNow board and special guests brainstormed, researched, and came up with this. It is far from perfect but perfection takes more than a few weeks.

http://tulsanow.org/index.php/2012/08/double-vision/


Thoughts?

OK, I want to see these things happen. How can we get them on a capitol improvments program that has a chance of passing?

[swake]

A parking garage needs to be part of the Cathedral Park plan. We would be taking the parking lot from Holy Family and need them to NOT replace it with more tear downs and surface parking. A park surrounded mostly by surface lots is not a very nice park.

It is true that a garage for the churches is wasted during the week, but would not be if shared by TTC students. TCC has at least 3.5 square blocks of surface parking, take one square block of that and build a shared garage. Develop the rest of TTC's surface parking into housing, some of it student housing.

[carltonplace]

The POP Museum will have a built in parking garage, backing up to the track.

I disagree with you that City Hall and the PAC do not need a parking solution that is not the current surface lot. The solution needs to be in proximity, should be mixed use and should free up surface area for development.

[carltonplace]

A parking garage needs to be part of the Cathedral Park plan. We would be taking the parking lot from Holy Family and need them to NOT replace it with more tear downs and surface parking. A park surrounded mostly by surface lots is not a very nice park.

It is true that a garage for the churches is wasted during the week, but would not be if shared by TTC students. TCC has at least 3.5 square blocks of surface parking, take one square block of that and build a shared garage. Develop the rest of TTC's surface parking into housing, some of it student housing.

Agreed. a parking solution could accomodate the retail, TCC and the churches.

[erfalf]

A parking garage needs to be part of the Cathedral Park plan. We would be taking the parking lot from Holy Family and need them to NOT replace it with more tear downs and surface parking. A park surrounded mostly by surface lots is not a very nice park.

It is true that a garage for the churches is wasted during the week, but would not be if shared by TTC students. TCC has at least 3.5 square blocks of surface parking, take one square block of that and build a shared garage. Develop the rest of TTC's surface parking into housing, some of it student housing.

In downtown Bartlesville, 66 Credit Union allows the church next door to park in there on the weekends. The church only has a tiny parking lot adjacent to the building, mostly for handicap spaces and drop offs. Sharing saves a lot of room.

[Teatownclown]

Oh, the Children's museum is a great idea. It should be privately funded and operated. They are great. There's ample space in new development as they require very little square footage. A good concept to enhance the Brady District.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sorry, but I don't want local taxes to increase period. It's a big factor in determining our ability to land better jobs. And currently, our taxes are higher than communities that provide a higher standard of living for their citizens.

There is the problem we had in the 70's...John Thomas fought any and all taxes, rate hikes, and expenditures for the water department for the entire time he was in office.  Just one of the reasons that Tulsa was leaking over half it's treated water by the time Patty Eaton was elected.  Remember water rationing by 1981 - things were improving, but still not completely fixed. 

All for want of a small water rate hike.  You gotta pay if ya wanna play!

You want better water?  Then your rates or taxes will go up to pay for the preferred, more expensive alternative.  So, you gonna step up and advocate higher water rates so we keep chloramines out?

[JCnOwasso]

I tried to figure out which had what, but doesn't TTC have a huge fund that it is sitting on and having a hard time spending?  Judging by the location they are building in Owasso and the renovations they have made to Lemley, I am guessing they are not having financial issues.  A downtown Parking garage near this location should not be funded fully by a tax, this is something that should be taken care of by the school and happily.  

Teatown, while I understand what you are saying, the sales tax is not an issue with whether or not you are going to land better jobs.  Property taxes, yes.  And I would beg to differ about the Apple store thought.  While I am not an Apple homer, I really believe you could put one of those just about anywhere in tulsa and it would be successful.

[Ed W]

I realize this is only a partial list, but do you know that every proposal listed is in the city of Tulsa?  This is a county-wide sales tax, is it not?  I'm not being deliberately crass, but what's in it for the rest of us who don't live in Tulsa?  It really looks as if we're expected to ante up the money so that the city will have all the amenities.  People in the suburbs don't like to be treated as mere donors toward the greater glory of Tulsa.

[Townsend]

I realize this is only a partial list, but do you know that every proposal listed is in the city of Tulsa?  This is a county-wide sales tax, is it not?  I'm not being deliberately crass, but what's in it for the rest of us who don't live in Tulsa?  It really looks as if we're expected to ante up the money so that the city will have all the amenities.  People in the suburbs don't like to be treated as mere donors toward the greater glory of Tulsa.

Percentages are there for surrounding towns.  Most of us live in Tulsa so we center on Tulsa wants and needs.

You should send your wants to your town and get your neighbors to take part as well.

[Teatownclown]

Can you imagine what would happen if this were a National thought process. Yes, what wish list would be developed? Add Reagan to Mount Rushmore?

You do not go about driving the quality of living by coming up with wish lists.

Our Mayor needs to tell us what major issues need to be addressed in the next 15 years. What infrastructure needs and improvements have been identified and what might be our future problems. The way we react to our heads in the sand (the retention/detention ponds...the streets etc.) makes me wonder what process these guys have if any.

[Townsend]

Our Mayor needs to tell us what major issues need to be addressed

I don't think you want that.  Go to some meetings.

[AquaMan]

Judging by the parking lot at Webster, the first meeting was very well attended.

TulsaNow put together a wish list for Tulsa. The opening paragraph was well written and explains this very well. Should the public support improvements, this is a list that summarizes what many of you have proposed in the past few years and they should be considered. Its hardly my list. I wanted a real railed trolley. At about $40 million a mile it didn't make the list. Go figure!

Should the voters decide this is a flawed process, these ideas may very well end up funded in another manner. For TulsaNow to not make a list of possible projects would  indicate its been nothing but talk and relegates them to a comments section in a newspaper.

If they are weak, strengthen them. If there are missed opportunities, list them. I for one, am tired of Tulsa  pouring champagne out of a beer bottle and complaining about the vintage.

edit: dang I'm tired. Does that even make sense? Beer, Champagne, city planning....