TulsaNow's thoughts on Vision2

[nathanm]

What's going on with Bartlett and the Gilcrease?

He probably feels like he needs a signature project of his own. After all, two former mayors had the opportunity to bask in the glow of reflected glory from the BOk Center. All Bartlett's got is a fire-prone cell phone.

[TheArtist]

Interesting how they have pretty much hemmed and hawed, picked apart, and delayed the implementation of, the PlaniTulsa new Comprehensive Plan stuff,  but are now touting it as "The people have spoken!" and worked long and hard on it, etc. so it's very important and we must listen to what they want.   Now what part of what people are saying they want included in this new package, would actually further the new Comprehensive Plan any more than just implementing the plan?   

[jacobi]

Interesting how they have pretty much hemmed and hawed, picked apart, and delayed the implementation of, the PlaniTulsa new Comprehensive Plan stuff,  but are now touting it as "The people have spoken!" and worked long and hard on it, etc. so it's very important and we must listen to what they want.   Now what part of what people are saying they want included in this new package, would actually further the new Comprehensive Plan any more than just implementing the plan?

(standing up clapping!)  Excellent observation!  bravo....

[sgrizzle]

I think it's for remaining right of way acquisition. It will most likely be built by the Turnpike Authority.

So we buy the land and get a pay road and don't even get the tolls. Who is this guy? an ex-OTA board member?

oh.. wait

[sgrizzle]

Interesting how they have pretty much hemmed and hawed, picked apart, and delayed the implementation of, the PlaniTulsa new Comprehensive Plan stuff,  but are now touting it as "The people have spoken!" and worked long and hard on it, etc. so it's very important and we must listen to what they want.   Now what part of what people are saying they want included in this new package, would actually further the new Comprehensive Plan any more than just implementing the plan?   

You think he's read it?

He's trying to say that if you steal bits from things that were well planned, then your thing is well planned too.

Taking a few random things you've wanted for awhile and shoving them out the door without proper planning or prioritization is still rushing. I've wanted a 70's Cuda for years but if I picked one up tonight, that would be poor planning.

[Conan71]

You think he's read it?

He's trying to say that if you steal bits from things that were well planned, then your thing is well planned too.

Taking a few random things you've wanted for awhile and shoving them out the door without proper planning or prioritization is still rushing. I've wanted a 70's Cuda for years but if I picked one up tonight, that would be poor planning.

Not really.  Just a good time to tell Logan and Natalie they will be paying their own way through college as you decided to "re-invest" their college fund in something you and Mrs. G could enjoy a whole lot more than writing checks to a college.

[Red Arrow]

I've wanted a 70's Cuda for years but if I picked one up tonight, that would be poor planning.

I really wanted a 70 Buick GSX.  I even got to sit in a brand new one at a car show.  I didn't have the $ and mom and dad wouldn't buy one for me.   

I did get a 66 Skylark GS (401 Nailhead) in spring of 71.

[Gaspar]

You think he's read it?

He's trying to say that if you steal bits from things that were well planned, then your thing is well planned too.

Taking a few random things you've wanted for awhile and shoving them out the door without proper planning or prioritization is still rushing. I've wanted a 70's Cuda for years but if I picked one up tonight, that would be poor planning.

And your wife would probably kill you!

[JCnOwasso]

JNC....yes. Too many of our vibrant brain thrust leave, never to return except to bury Ma and Pa.

If they leave or have left, they had no intent on staying.  But you want to know a way to keep them here?  Give them a thriving location for young professionals and enough businesses to keep them employed.  People are going to do what they want to do.  You cannot force them to stay, you can only give them something to think about.  Tulsa is not a major city, regardless of how many Olympics we put in for.  We have our niche and we have learned to exploit it.  We have a thriving young professional community, a thriving arts community, and a Downtown area that is merging those two communities. 

I have learned, if you are going to identify a problem you better be ready to give your solution to fix that problem, or else you are just part of the problem.  So, all knowing Clown, what is your solution?  If you aren't going to give one, you have become part of the problem.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

I really wanted a 70 Buick GSX.  I even got to sit in a brand new one at a car show.  I didn't have the $ and mom and dad wouldn't buy one for me.   

I did get a 66 Skylark GS (401 Nailhead) in spring of 71.

I went with the 65 Buick Wildcat in late 1968.  Smoooooottttttttthhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[Red Arrow]

I went with the 65 Buick Wildcat in late 1968.  Smoooooottttttttthhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure the 65 'cat had the Superturbine 400.  Our family 63 LeSabre was really smoooooth. Dynaflow.  I hated that tranny but it was smooth.

[Weatherdemon]

- Campus Housing. Seed money or no-interest loans should be provided to local state-owned colleges (OSU, OU and Langston) to provide affordable on-campus or near-campus student housing to bolster enrollment and make it more affordable for potential students.
---- I am against anything that gives more money to the public universities. I'm still pissed that most of the lottery procedes go there despite it still being depicted that K-12 get the most money.

- Urban Redevelopment. Seed money should be provided for key urban areas around the city that need redevelopment. Suggested areas including the areas northwest of Downtown, particularly to the north, and the Crutchfield Corridor from Pine to I-244.
----- Provide specifics. Otherwise no.

- Downtown Housing. By far one of the best parts of Vision2025 was seed money to get developers to build housing in downtown Tulsa. Many dilapidated buildings have found new life thanks to this money and more funding should speed up this trend.
----- Provide specifics. Otherwise no.

- Riverside drive improvements to coincide with the GKFF "Gathering Place" plan. If there are any needed infrastructure work to accommodate this plan, or obvious ways in which the city can capitalize on this effort, it should be funded.
----- Provide specifics. Even with specifics any street funding in this would sway me towards a no.

- Two-way streets. Paint, signage and streetscaping could go a long way into making downtown more auto and pedestrian friendly.
----- OMG, NO! Stop changing the freaking downtown streets. Also, any street funding in this would sway me towards a no.

- Complete streets. Money to provide adequate sidewalks, crosswalks and bike paths, prioritized based on need.
----- Provide specifics. Even with specifics any street funding in this would sway me towards a no. More sidewalks is good though.

- Other Items:
- No street fundung.
Everything else good on surface.

[Teatownclown]

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=16944.msg249858#msg249858

Make it $200 million and put a parking garage near 21st and Riverside, 31st and Riverside and further south on Riverside. Not big glaring ones, but ones that eventually blend into the landscape and surrounding areas.

Tulsa could do a substantial amount for itself rather than keeping the Chamber a vibrant force. There is a time to enhance what you have already in place.

[Teatownclown]

Arizona Cities Turn to GAC to Meet Treatment Challenges
http://www.waterworld.com/articles/print/volume-24/issue-11/editorial-feature/arizona-cities-turn-to-gac-to-meet-treatment-challenges.html

this conversion of our water system should be the number one priority for our quality of life....unless you think the Chamber and corporate welfare are even a low priority....

[sgrizzle]

- Campus Housing. Seed money or no-interest loans should be provided to local state-owned colleges (OSU, OU and Langston) to provide affordable on-campus or near-campus student housing to bolster enrollment and make it more affordable for potential students.
---- I am against anything that gives more money to the public universities. I'm still pissed that most of the lottery procedes go there despite it still being depicted that K-12 get the most money.

This is basically a loan, not a handout.

- Downtown Housing. By far one of the best parts of Vision2025 was seed money to get developers to build housing in downtown Tulsa. Many dilapidated buildings have found new life thanks to this money and more funding should speed up this trend.
----- Provide specifics. Otherwise no.

This is an extension of the existing program which loans money to projects deemed worthy. As in the V2025 money for this, the projects do not exist yet and it's not a handout so you can't name specific projects.