TulsaNow's thoughts on Vision2

[Weatherdemon]

This is basically a loan, not a handout.

This is an extension of the existing program which loans money to projects deemed worthy. As in the V2025 money for this, the projects do not exist yet and it's not a handout so you can't name specific projects.

I don't like how "basically a loan" sounds.
On the other one, OK, Thanks.

When I said the other items looked good, I meant that very positively. It's a great list as it covers many different needs in many different areas.
Even with the stuff I don't like ;o)

[Teatownclown]

I don't like how "basically a loan" sounds.
On the other one, OK, Thanks.

When I said the other items looked good, I meant that very positively. It's a great list as it covers many different needs in many different areas.
Even with the stuff I don't like ;o)

Does anybody recall the loan structure and cumulative losses for the city of Tulsa on such things as Cherokee Industrial District, Great Planes, and many smaller ventures? 

I still wonder what lurk's. No transparency...even with 2025.

[Conan71]

Does anybody recall the loan structure and cumulative losses for the city of Tulsa on such things as Cherokee Industrial District, Great Planes, and many smaller ventures? 

I still wonder what lurk's. No transparency...even with 2025.

I thought the CID was a fractional sales tax to lure Whirlpool and bring in some better infrastructure which lured Bama, NORDAM/LORI, and others to the park.  How was COT involved?  If it was, seems foolish since creating jobs in that area would tend to benefit Collinsville, Skiatook, and Owasso more than Tulsa.

[JCnOwasso]

I thought the CID was a fractional sales tax to lure Whirlpool and bring in some better infrastructure which lured Bama, NORDAM/LORI, and others to the park.  How was COT involved?  If it was, seems foolish since creating jobs in that area would tend to benefit Collinsville, Skiatook, and Owasso more than Tulsa.

Just a shot in the dark here, but Police academy, close proximity to Tulsa proper.  I am not sure of the costs, but I am guessing there was some deal worked out for the massive amount of land where the academy sits.  My mother was an employee of the IAC long before Whirlpool was there and if I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of stuff there before Whirlpool came to pass.  Lori and Bama were there.  I don't remember exactly when the academy was built or when MCI built their complex, which now has Verizon as a tennant.  EDS built their complex some time around 2000. 

[Red Arrow]

Just a shot in the dark here, but Police academy, close proximity to Tulsa proper.  I am not sure of the costs, but I am guessing there was some deal worked out for the massive amount of land where the academy sits.  My mother was an employee of the IAC long before Whirlpool was there and if I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of stuff there before Whirlpool came to pass.  Lori and Bama were there.  I don't remember exactly when the academy was built or when MCI built their complex, which now has Verizon as a tennant.  EDS built their complex some time around 2000.  

I worked for Telex Computer Products in the Cherokee Industrial Park in the late 80s.  We were told it was put there, in part, to give North Tulsans better access to good paying jobs. It was a PITA for me since 169 was only done to 51st St South at the time.  It took me 1/2 hr just to get to 169 from 111th and Memorial.

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Just checked Google Maps, Telex built what became the MCI, now Verizon complex.  I didn't get moved up there right away but I think it was built about 1986.

[Townsend]

For some reason the TMCC digs the Gilcrease expressway too.

Chamber Priorities for 2013

http://kwgs.com/post/chamber-priorities-2013

The Tulsa Metro Chamber of Commerce drafts its list of priorities for the upcoming legislative session. Chamber President Mike Neal says one item is urging the state legislature to accept additional Medicaid dollars under the Affordable Care Act.

NEAL: "It was really felt that the state should do everything they could to not oppose receiving these additional Medicaid dollars. That would to a lot to help our state toward addressing it indigent health situation."

Neal says they want to see improvements in Educational funding as well.  He says the Gilcrease Expressway extension also, again,  made the list.

NEAL: "(We are) really looking at how we can ultimately get that full Gilcrease Expressway completed on the west side of our county and how we could do a partnership with the Oklahoma Department of Transportation and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority."

The agenda will now be reviewed by other chambers and municipalities. It will eventually be presented to the legislature as the Chamber's One Voice Agenda.

[Townsend]

From CoT FB post:

Have an idea for the next Vision package? Join us tonight, Aug. 31, 5:30 - 7:30 p.m., TCC Northeast Campus-Seminar Center, 3727 E. Apache St., ,If you are unable to join us, please share your idea through our online survey: www.cityoftulsa.org/Vision2

[Conan71]

I worked for Telex Computer Products in the Cherokee Industrial Park in the late 80s.  We were told it was put there, in part, to give North Tulsans better access to good paying jobs. It was a PITA for me since 169 was only done to 51st St South at the time.  It took me 1/2 hr just to get to 169 from 111th and Memorial.

edit:
Just checked Google Maps, Telex built what became the MCI, now Verizon complex.  I didn't get moved up there right away but I think it was built about 1986.

I believe you are right, I think the boilers were manufactured in '85 or '86 which is usually a pretty sure indicator of original construction assuming the original units are still in place.

[JCnOwasso]

I believe you are right, I think the boilers were manufactured in '85 or '86 which is usually a pretty sure indicator of original construction assuming the original units are still in place.

Whirlpool didn't get out there until around 94-95 (I vaguely remember the Helicopters bring in the AC units for the roof).  Which means this all took place prior to the Whirlpool stuff. 

[Conan71]

Whirlpool didn't get out there until around 94-95 (I vaguely remember the Helicopters bring in the AC units for the roof).  Which means this all took place prior to the Whirlpool stuff. 

Sounds about right on the Whirlpool timeframe, JC.

[Teatownclown]

I thought the CID was a fractional sales tax to lure Whirlpool and bring in some better infrastructure which lured Bama, NORDAM/LORI, and others to the park.  How was COT involved?  If it was, seems foolish since creating jobs in that area would tend to benefit Collinsville, Skiatook, and Owasso more than Tulsa.

I think it was a bond backed by the city. I know it was socialistic because the private sector was the competitor. If a company came to town looking for a site they were showed CID because the City and Chamber had too much to loose. So, they did not even try to market other locations. If a potential user from out of town came in to survey and did not like CID they moved on to other cities.

The CID bonds became worthless. Many wealthy Tulsans supposedly took it on the chin. Were their financial sacrifices justified for the employment trade off?

Those business' you mention are organic Tulsa companies that would have found other deals within this city if CID did not even exist.

[Conan71]

I think it was a bond backed by the city. I know it was socialistic because the private sector was the competitor. If a company came to town looking for a site they were showed CID because the City and Chamber had too much to loose. So, they did not even try to market other locations. If a potential user from out of town came in to survey and did not like CID they moved on to other cities.

The CID bonds became worthless. Many wealthy Tulsans supposedly took it on the chin. Were their financial sacrifices justified for the employment trade off?

Those business' you mention are organic Tulsa companies that would have found other deals within this city if CID did not even exist.

Thanks for the explanation.  That had fallen off my radar scope long ago.  Do you remember about what year they did that?

Again, seems for the location it would have been more a boon for the 'burbs up north (better example of a county initiative) unless the city mistakenly assumed it would help jump start the economic engine in north Tulsa which had been neglected for quite some time.

[nathanm]

For some reason the TMCC digs the Gilcrease expressway too.

Of course they do. Think of all the land that will be increased in value due to it being easier to develop thanks to a nearby highway. They would prefer you forget about the costs of providing greater services to the area and maintaining any infrastructure we build, however. More sprawl is about the last thing we need in the long term, but it sure does make the numbers look good up front.

[Red Arrow]

unless the city mistakenly assumed it would help jump start the economic engine in north Tulsa which had been neglected for quite some time.

As I said earlier, that was given to us as one reason for the Cherokee Industrial Park.  Telex most likely built up there for the money (tax? land cost?) advantage.  I don't remember any significant influx of Northsiders as employees.

[sgrizzle]

I worked for Telex Computer Products in the Cherokee Industrial Park in the late 80s.  We were told it was put there, in part, to give North Tulsans better access to good paying jobs. It was a PITA for me since 169 was only done to 51st St South at the time.  It took me 1/2 hr just to get to 169 from 111th and Memorial.

edit:
Just checked Google Maps, Telex built what became the MCI, now Verizon complex.  I didn't get moved up there right away but I think it was built about 1986.

It was built in 1986. Their 50th anniversary party was also the grand opening.