Obama's acceptance speech

[erfalf]

Since this was covered before, this now escalates to an outright lie. Not only are there plans in the form of legislation pending before Congress, but there are also the previous promises already legislated. Romney has no real plan, just a broad framework, which is precisely what you're attempting to criticize Obama for.

He sidelined it? Check his 2013 budget which contains many elements of the commission's plan, the very plan that Paul Ryan voted against.

When Obama's budget gets a vote, then you can talk about Obama's "real" plans. Until then, it is just make believe.

[Hoss]

When Obama's budget gets a vote, then you can talk about Obama's "real" plans. Until then, it is just make believe.

When the republicans allow it to come to the floor, we'll talk.

[erfalf]

Why bother? It would bounce off of you like most of the other attempts to enlighten you.

BTW, this is not 2008. This is 2012. Obama now has vastly more experience than the Mormon doing his sabbatical. And, once again since you don't pay attention, its the quality of the experience. Experience in outsourcing jobs and hiding money in offshore accounts doesn't count and offending our allies on his pr trip does count.

That or there is nothing to refute my assertion that Obama had no more (if not less) foreign policy experience than Romney has now. And even if we compare the two now, what is Romney looking up to, letting the middle East hash it out on their own? Completely ignoring any western allies in the area? Sounds like his policy is to not have a policy.

And don't even bring up the OBL thing, you and I both know that anyone would have done the same, well except Clinton maybe.

[erfalf]

When the republicans allow it to come to the floor, we'll talk.

To date, the Senate has brought up Obama's budget several times and nary a vote was cast in its direction. Now we can talk.

[Hoss]

To date, the Senate has brought up Obama's budget several times and nary a vote was cast in its direction. Now we can talk.

Remember who holds the purse strings?  The House?  Did you take civics in Middle School?

[erfalf]

Remember who holds the purse strings?  The House?  Did you take civics in Middle School?

How many votes did his budgets get in the House then?

[Red Arrow]

I actually have a good friend I grew up with who is a former Mormon.

That sounds a lot like "I have some black friends".  I don't expect you intended it that way but in this politically correct world, be careful.

[Red Arrow]

When the republicans allow it to come to the floor, we'll talk.

Uh,  seems to me that Harry Reid has not allowed a bunch of legislation to not come before the Senate.

[nathanm]

Until then, it is just make believe.

Make believe with actual numbers, unlike Romney's plan.

[AquaMan]

That or there is nothing to refute my assertion that Obama had no more (if not less) foreign policy experience than Romney has now. And even if we compare the two now, what is Romney looking up to, letting the middle East hash it out on their own? Completely ignoring any western allies in the area? Sounds like his policy is to not have a policy.

And don't even bring up the OBL thing, you and I both know that anyone would have done the same, well except Clinton maybe.

Well, you have it all covered. Why bother to even post? If you want to run Obama from 2008 against R&R in 2012, its your world. Make it happen capn.

When you start with a construct that you feel is bulletproof, no doubt you'll never find any flaw in it. Ruins conversations though and limits your scope of the world.

[AquaMan]

That sounds a lot like "I have some black friends".  I don't expect you intended it that way but in this politically correct world, be careful.

Its a life long friend. A friend when I didn't know or care about religion. One who was a Mormon and isn't now. Those are the facts. I didn't pretend to understand, to relate, or have intimate knowledge about the religion. Just noting that it was a negative part of that friends life that a parent forced them into. My friend is now shunned by the rest of the family.

In my employment, I am immersed in a culture of minorities. The strangest place I've ever worked because of its extremely diverse age, race and religious population. Fundamentalist Christianity is their common denominator with poor education and poverty close behind.

The upshot is that they are all conflicted with this election. They no longer can decide simply on race, religion, business, or party. If any discussion occurs at all its usually centered on the depressing, dismal condition of the world and the incompetence of their company. Eh, they probably won't even vote.

[Teatownclown]

Its a life long friend. A friend when I didn't know or care about religion. One who was a Mormon and isn't now. Those are the facts. I didn't pretend to understand, to relate, or have intimate knowledge about the religion. Just noting that it was a negative part of that friends life that a parent forced them into. My friend is now shunned by the rest of the family.

In my employment, I am immersed in a culture of minorities. The strangest place I've ever worked because of its extremely diverse age, race and religious population. Fundamentalist Christianity is their common denominator with poor education and poverty close behind.

The upshot is that they are all conflicted with this election. They no longer can decide simply on race, religion, business, or party. If any discussion occurs at all its usually centered on the depressing, dismal condition of the world and the incompetence of their company. Eh, they probably won't even vote.

This "confliction" you describe is a direct result of their environment. Work place attitude, church attitude, and political attitude all look at the glass half full despite living in a great country with lots of new potential. Oklahomans seem more miserable than most and global warming may be part of the problem. The gap between "have" and "have not" in the State is huge. %40 live paycheck to paycheck. The education situation is a direct result of parenting. Parents have to work two jobs. And when they aren't working, then they are generally attending church where everyone waits for salvation or they attend to home and family or they submerse themselves in self medication. The scapegoat for most their problems is government and the politics behind its incompetence.

I look around Tulsa and things seem pretty good compared to 5 years ago. Life is not easy. Forward.

[erfalf]

Well, you have it all covered. Why bother to even post? If you want to run Obama from 2008 against R&R in 2012, its your world. Make it happen capn.

When you start with a construct that you feel is bulletproof, no doubt you'll never find any flaw in it. Ruins conversations though and limits your scope of the world.

I believe I discussed Obama's current foreign policy experience.

[erfalf]

Make believe with actual numbers, unlike Romney's plan.

I will be there criticizing Romney if he has done the same after nearly four years.

[AquaMan]

I believe I discussed Obama's current foreign policy experience.

Well then that's a settled subject. You are probably one of an infinitessimally small group of people who profess to not care about foreign policy experience and yet are also sure that R&R have plenty of it.

Very few people have the foreign policy experience of a past or sitting president or secretary of state.