Obama's acceptance speech

[Hoss]

Well then that's a settled subject. You are probably one of an infinitessimally small group of people who profess to not care about foreign policy experience and yet are also sure that R&R have plenty of it.

Very few people have the foreign policy experience of a past or sitting president or secretary of state.

Kinda like talking to a board.

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[nathanm]

I will be there criticizing Romney if he has done the same after nearly four years.

You keep claiming that Obama lacks detailed plans, but as shown earlier, that's a complete fabrication. I guess you can keep ignoring reality if you want to. Seems like there should be some complaints that are grounded in reality, though, given how he's talked about by the right.

[Red Arrow]

You keep claiming that Obama lacks detailed plans, but as shown earlier,

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[nathanm]

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It wasn't very long ago we were talking about the 2013 budget. Like it or not, it's a plan with real numbers and fully fleshed out policy proposals.

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Very few people have the foreign policy experience of a past or sitting president or secretary of state.

That doesn't necessarily qualify it as good experience.

[Red Arrow]

It wasn't very long ago we were talking about the 2013 budget. Like it or not, it's a plan with real numbers and fully fleshed out policy proposals.

When was the last time an actual budget was passed?

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Oklahomans seem more miserable than most and global warming may be part of the problem.

Oklahomans' brains were fried long before the present Global Warming campaign.

[nathanm]

When was the last time an actual budget was passed?

That's not relevant to the question of whether or not Obama has put forth detailed policy proposals.

[erfalf]

You keep claiming that Obama lacks detailed plans, but as shown earlier, that's a complete fabrication. I guess you can keep ignoring reality if you want to. Seems like there should be some complaints that are grounded in reality, though, given how he's talked about by the right.

Ok, I will give up on that point, he has "plans". they are just so bad that he can hardly get anyone else to go along with them.   Can't argue with that point.

[nathanm]

Ok, I will give up on that point, he has "plans". they are just so bad that he can hardly get anyone else to go along with them.   Can't argue with that point.

I'd concede the point if the American Jobs Act hadn't garnered 50 votes in favor in the Senate. It is true that the 2012 budget was never brought to a vote. It's a little amusing how you claim with one breath that Obama is ruining America and then with the next claim that nobody has ever supported anything he's done. Were that true, the stimulus, the equal pay act, ACA, Dodd-Frank, and many other bills that the President proposed in one form or another wouldn't be current law.

[AquaMan]

That doesn't necessarily qualify it as good experience.

Erfalf wouldn't accept that comment when I made it.

Nonetheless, 4 years of sitting presidential foreign policy experience, even if half of it was bad, is more than R&R.

[erfalf]

Erfalf wouldn't accept that comment when I made it.

Nonetheless, 4 years of sitting presidential foreign policy experience, even if half of it was bad, is more than R&R.

Is it really that big of a deal then? It's like saying Obama deserves to be President because he has more experience being President. Of course he does.

[Red Arrow]

Nonetheless, 4 years of sitting presidential foreign policy experience, even if half of it was bad, is more than R&R.

Please refresh my memory, how much direct foreign policy experience did our sitting President have 4 years ago?

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That's not relevant to the question of whether or not Obama has put forth detailed policy proposals.

When Obama says he will create X number of jobs but gives no details on how he will do it, I consider that no details.  Neither candidate is really giving much in the way of details at the moment.  Maybe as the election gets closer we will see some.

[nathanm]

When Obama says he will create X number of jobs but gives no details on how he will do it, I consider that no details.

Uh, the bills before Congress and previously passed legislation have the detail. Nobody expects a significant amount of detail in the actual stump speeches. To be fair, Romney needs little detail with regard to job creation. The number he has claimed he'll create over four years just happens to be right about the typical neutral economy job creation rate.