This is not what leadership looks like

[erfalf]

Edited to add: Besides, the political sideshow is much less interesting than the sideshow about the filmmaker claiming to be Jewish and financed by 100 Jews when he isn't and it wasn't. Something is very bizarre about all this.

I honestly have given little thought about the "movie". It seems to be unrelated to me. The attacks were on 9/11. check. Coordinated. check. Al'Queda connections. check. Did the movie really have anything to do with it?

Edit: Ok, now this is really black helicoptor, but maybe the movie was financed by the attackers to give cover. Ok, enough of that.

[Hoss]

Kind of like Obama and Egypt, but not?

I sometimes wonder how you stay vertical...what with all that spinning for your boy Rmoney....   

[erfalf]

I sometimes wonder how you stay vertical...what with all that spinning for your boy Rmoney....  

When you make a single comment on the issue instead of attacking me or the sources of the story, I'll take you seriously. It is possible for people to have views that differ from yours.

[nathanm]

Edit: Ok, now this is really black helicoptor, but maybe the movie was financed by the attackers to give cover. Ok, enough of that.

You think it's a coincidence that that the subtitled version was posted less than a week ago and publicized in Egypt, stirring up the protests, on the 10th?

[erfalf]

You think it's a coincidence that that the subtitled version was posted less than a week ago and publicized in Egypt, stirring up the protests, on the 10th?

Is that a rhetorical question? or are you really asking if I think it's a coincidence?

[Hoss]

Is that a rhetorical question? or are you really asking if I think it's a coincidence?

What, do you think it's a trick question or something?

[erfalf]

Ok, so I think the State Department is putting way too much weight into this "movie". Maybe the crowd gathered because of it. But then they spontaneously shot gernades and bazookas at the embassy? Why is it so difficult for them to say that there are people in the world that want Americans dead at all costs.

[RecycleMichael]

I would agree with erfalf. There has been tension in this part of the world for 650 years. The movie was a factor, but riots were going to happen. It is a scary time to travel overseas.

[nathanm]

Why is it so difficult for them to say that there are people in the world that want Americans dead at all costs.

There is this thing, it is called diplomacy. Just because you think something does not mean that you have to say it.

[Hoss]

There is this thing, it is called diplomacy. Just because you think something does not mean that you have to say it.

Except if your name is Willard....

[erfalf]

There is this thing, it is called diplomacy. Just because you think something does not mean that you have to say it.

I think you are confusing diplomacy with being politically correct. I equate it to not calling the Germans our enemy during World War II. It's not like we would be offending any country (unless said country is run by Al'Queda) since no country is at present our enemy.

[nathanm]

I think you are confusing diplomacy with being politically correct.

No, diplomacy is not sticking your finger in people's eye unless it helps you get something you want. Case in point, Obama's saying Egypt is not an ally in the same sense NATO countries are. The subtext being that the Egyptians better get their smile together or they won't be enjoying any more help from us, because it is completely, 100% up to the President whether or not they get special treatment. Not even 24 hours later, the Egyptian leadership does finally get its smile together and try to do something about the embassy protests, both in word and in deed. Go figure.

The point being that you don't apply pressure just because you're mad, you apply it when it will result in getting something you want. The last thing we need to do right now is go off half cocked and imply that all the Egyptians, Libyans, and others want us dead, when in fact it's the increasingly irrelevant (at least for now, Bush got them to lay low for a while, too, but it didn't last) al Qaeda types that are the problem, not the relatively friendly governments (or even the man on the street these days) in place.

[guido911]

Is this what the reaction to leadership is supported to look like?



Obviously the child is racist....

[nathanm]

Nah, just conditioned by the constant invective spewed at the TV whenever that guy shows up on it.

[Red Arrow]

Nah, just conditioned by the constant invective spewed at the TV whenever that guy shows up on it.

You don't necessarily know that the kid's parents watch FOX.