Michael Moore: "You didn't save that!"

[Conan71]

The orgasmic bliss of the DNC didn't last long:

For several years the left and their media minions have claimed that by bailing out Chrysler and General Motors, President Obama saved Detroit.

On Friday, the perilously liberal schlockumentarian Michael Moore debunked this in an article at the Huffington Post astonishingly saying, "No, he didn't."

"Last week, I said on the HuffPost Live webcast that we had all better start practicing how to say 'President Romney' because, living in Michigan, I can tell you that there's trouble here on the two peninsulas and it's not just because Romney is a native son or that we like to watch kids from Cranbrook chase down gay kids and chop their hair off," Moore wrote. "One recent poll here showed Romney leading Obama by four points! How can that be? Didn't Obama save Detroit?"

Moore answered his own question, "No, he didn't. He saved General Motors and Chrysler."

"'Detroit' (and Flint and Pontiac and Saginaw)," continued Moore, "are not defined by the global corporations who suck our towns dry and then split town to make more money elsewhere (except, of course, they continued to design and built crap cars, so eventually they didn't make the money at all). These cities in Michigan are about the people who live here, and in the process of 'saving Detroit,' Mr. Obama had to fire thousands of these people, and reduce the benefits and pensions of those who were left."

(Damn, sounds like those awful vulture capitalists!)


Inconvenient truths the Obama-loving media don't want the public to know. But Moore wasn't finished.

"There's a lot of pissed off people in Michigan (and Wisconsin and Ohio), people who weren't saved even though the corporation was. I'm just stating a fact, and those of you who don't live here should know this."

Actually, those that don't live in these areas would know this if America had an honest media.

Sadly, we don't leading to almost unthinkable ignorance about such matters and many other crucial issues facing the nation.

How extraordinary that an avowed Obama supporter would be willing to let this cat out of the bag two months before Election Day.

If only the rest of the so-called journalists out there would follow suit.

Don't hold your breath.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/09/07/michael-moore-no-obama-didnt-save-detroit#ixzz25oYhaVIH

Read the entire article from Huffpaint here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/president-romney-how-to-p_b_1863818.html

For those of you who don't care to link through, he's also miffed about all the contributions Obama got from Wall Streeters and what a gift Obamacare is to the insurance companies.

Obama's minions aren't happy with him but it's almost as if they'd be willing to see the country go though 4 more years of misery just so they don't have to do anything about their buyer's remorse.

[carltonplace]

First off I have as much use for Michael Moore and Bill Maher as I have for Rush Limbaugh (which is none), they are attention hounds that want the cameras and attention on them. But I can't say he is entirely wrong. Detroit is not saved; the housing market there is still terrible.

What Mike forgets to mention is all of the other companies that are dependent on the auto industry that we would have lost if these companies were allowed to fail. If he is unhappy with his lot in life now, I can't imagine how loudly he would have complained if his major industry and all dependent industries had vanished.

[Gaspar]

It's nice to see that Moore is critical of the president for the same reason that many liberals should be critical of him.  The President has been a big Wall Street partner but not so much a Main Street partner.  Moore is very critical of the "1%" and the "Evil Rich."  He has a big heart.

Consequently, he keeps his big heart in his 10,000 sf lakefront mansion.

I dismiss Moore's criticism of President Obama because he is a hypocrite.

[Teatownclown]

Maher is much more entertaining than those other two ....

Obama's minions aren't happy with him but it's almost as if they'd be willing to see the country go though 4 more years of misery just so they don't have to do anything about their buyer's remorse.

If you are not prepared to go through 20 more years of misery then best you either come to Jesus or learn not to complain so much. No President and no congress will together or separately make things better. Seek mindfulness...and get a grip on the anger.

oh, now take a diarrhea pill for those fingers. Too much coffee today? 

[dbacks fan]

He's an Obama fanboy.....

OK, so people like me, just once in our lifetime, would like to get our way all the time! Is that too much to ask? Of course, there is a different question that is in the air now -- shall we give the country back to the crowd who gave the country to the 1%? I think not. So let's join in with our liberal majority and be fierce and relentless in these next two months. Let's spend this time educating people what we mean when we say things like "single-payer" and "Blackwater." Politics and the fate of the nation (and the world -- sorry, world) are on the front burner and those of us who want to wrestle control of our society out of the hands of the few can take healthy advantage of these coming weeks. Don't sit it out. Don't try to convince anyone Obama has magically transformed us -- just tell them four years is simply not enough time to undo all the hurt caused by biggest economic crash since the Great Depression and the biggest military blunder/lie in our history.

I'm going to go with my optimistic side here (sorry, cynics, you know I love you) and imagine a Second Term Obama (and a Democratically-controlled Congress) who will go after all the good that our people deserve and put the power of our democracy back in our hands. There's good reason why the Right is terrified of a Second Term Obama because that is exactly what they think he'll do: the real Obama will appear and take us down the road to social justice and tolerance and a leveling of the economic playing field. For once, I'd like to say I agree with the Right -- and I sincerely hope their worst nightmare does come true.

[Teatownclown]

Costco Founder Nails Romney - He Best Return Those Shirts!!!


...at Costco, we recognize that job creation requires time and investment and commitment to the long term. *** It Requires Companies that Plant and Grow, NOT executives who REAP and RUN. ***

We're proud that Costco pays the highest wages among our peers, that we provide benefit and health care plans that are second to none, that we've grown our business by promoting from within. So we're not just giving Costco people jobs, we're empowering them to build careers and support middle-class families.

At Costco, we know a thing or two about what it takes for businesses to succeed, for a company to do well by its shareholders and to do right by its employees at the same time. We don't want one set of rules for ourselves and another for our employees.

Business needs a president... who takes the long view and makes the tough decisions. And that's why I am here tonight supporting President Obama, a president making an economy built to last.

America needs to be a nation where everyone follows the same rules of the road so that small businesses can compete with the big, so that small businesses can become big, so that breakthrough ideas and hard work are rewarded MORE than speculation.

...Here's the thing about the Costco story: we did not build our company in a vacuum, we built it in the greatest country on earth. We built our company in a place where anyone can make it with hard work, a little luck and a little help from their neighbors AND THEIR COUNTRY.

I'm here tonight because Costco's story is the American story. Because it's a story that President Obama is helping millions of dreamers and doers to write anew for themselves. And I'm here tonight because I believe he deserves four more years to help us write the next chapter.


Jim Sinegal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125187852

Be nice and they might build some stores here in Sam's backyard.

[erfalf]

Been thinking the same thing as Moore for a while (I think I need to take a bath now). The auto industry didn't get bailed out, GM & Chrysler got bailed out. Two companies that made bad decisions (while some may have seemed good at the time) were bailed out. Ford wasn't. Does anyone really think the U.S. auto industry would just completely shut down if GM were to go under? Unlikely. Now if people stop buying cars, maybe. But as it sits, GMs stake in U.S. manufacturing would more than likely been eaten up by some not so vulnerable competitors. Even if all three were to go under (unlikely) we would still have auto manufacturing in the U.S. thanks to our foreign competitors such as Honda, Toyota, & BMW. They all have significant assets in the states (just not in Michigan).

[Red Arrow]

(just not in Michigan).

I wonder why.  Seriously, BMW is from Germany where there are very favorable laws for workers.

[nathanm]

I wonder why.  Seriously, BMW is from Germany where there are very favorable laws for workers.

There are also very favorable laws for employers, they just don't operate at the expense of workers.

[Conan71]

Been thinking the same thing as Moore for a while (I think I need to take a bath now). The auto industry didn't get bailed out, GM & Chrysler got bailed out. Two companies that made bad decisions (while some may have seemed good at the time) were bailed out. Ford wasn't. Does anyone really think the U.S. auto industry would just completely shut down if GM were to go under? Unlikely. Now if people stop buying cars, maybe. But as it sits, GMs stake in U.S. manufacturing would more than likely been eaten up by some not so vulnerable competitors. Even if all three were to go under (unlikely) we would still have auto manufacturing in the U.S. thanks to our foreign competitors such as Honda, Toyota, & BMW. They all have significant assets in the states (just not in Michigan).

On the one hand, it's easy for us to say "To Hell with Shysler and Genital Motors!"  However, there are untold hundreds of thousands of jobs which exist because of those two manufacturers.  They have many suppliers, vendors, companies which do their plant improvements and all sorts of jobs created from that income stream throughout the economy.

Had Bush and Obama not gotten the wheels going to save both companies, we'd be heavily criticizing Obama for doing nothing about GM and Chrysler when he had the chance to save them.  I really do shudder to think how far reaching the effects could have been.  Certainly some jobs would be assimilated into other companies as car sales rebounded, but I don't think you would have managed to save near as many jobs.  As well as making some of those cities heavily dependent on the big 3 even bigger ghettos than they have become already.

[nathanm]

Conan pretty much wins the thread.

I do have to disagree with one thing in the OP, though. People on the left aren't supporting Obama so they don't have to feel buyer's remorse. Many of them already do, as Obama has not turned out to be the leftist they hoped he was and the Republicans paint him as. They support Obama because they find the alternative completely untenable. At least the folks who aren't voting for whoever the Green is this year.

[Red Arrow]

There are also very favorable laws for employers, they just don't operate at the expense of workers.

The ones I am thinking of require an employer (in Germany) to keep employees skilled in an older technology, using that older technology, rather than train them in a newer technology.

[erfalf]

On the one hand, it's easy for us to say "To Hell with Shysler and Genital Motors!"  However, there are untold hundreds of thousands of jobs which exist because of those two manufacturers.  They have many suppliers, vendors, companies which do their plant improvements and all sorts of jobs created from that income stream throughout the economy.

Had Bush and Obama not gotten the wheels going to save both companies, we'd be heavily criticizing Obama for doing nothing about GM and Chrysler when he had the chance to save them.  I really do shudder to think how far reaching the effects could have been.  Certainly some jobs would be assimilated into other companies as car sales rebounded, but I don't think you would have managed to save near as many jobs.  As well as making some of those cities heavily dependent on the big 3 even bigger ghettos than they have become already.

Do you think that a normal bankruptcy proceeding would have led to far more devastating effects? I mean how many times have the big airlines gone through bankruptcy, and yet we still have a aerospace industry. That's all I'm saying.

[nathanm]

Do you think that a normal bankruptcy proceeding would have led to far more devastating effects? I mean how many times have the big airlines gone through bankruptcy, and yet we still have a aerospace industry. That's all I'm saying.

The problem was that there could have been no "normal" bankruptcy, as nobody was willing to put up the necessary DIP and exit financing. You have to remember that the proximate cause of the bankruptcies was the failure of the commercial paper market and consequent almost total credit freeze. GM and Chrysler were certainly on the road to BK years before the crisis hit, but the crisis is what pushed them into bankruptcy at that particular moment.

[dbacks fan]

If GM had failed and closed, it would have a far reaching effect other than here in the US. They own Holden, Vauxhall, and Opel as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Motors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel

They also manufacture Chevy in most of the world.