Infidels

[nathanm]

That's completely at odds with what people on the ground reported at the time. So much for solid sources.

I have known stoners who put Harold and Kumar to shame that have better memories than people seem to have today.

[guido911]

That's completely at odds with what people on the ground reported at the time. So much for solid sources.

I have known stoners who put Harold and Kumar to shame that have better memories than people seem to have today.

Did you even bother to watch the damned video? The change in story was from our STATE department. Sheesh. Watch it and learn.

[nathanm]

Did you even bother to watch the damned video? The change in story was from our STATE department. Sheesh. Watch it and learn.

I don't really care where it comes from, it's still revisionist history. There are pictures of crowds at the consulate prior to the fires having been set. Also, Smith (aka vilerat) mentioned shots, not explosions. Yes, he was busy playing EVE Online at the time of the attack. From memory, he said "holy smile, gun shots" or something very similar.

So yeah, forgive me if I remain skeptical when news reports conflict with eyewitness accounts and photographs.

[Red Arrow]

I have known stoners who put Harold and Kumar to shame that have better memories than people seem to have today.

Ah, the good old days.  We all had better memories than we seem to have today.  Accuracy, however, is another issue.

[Red Arrow]

If the administration is going to try to redirect information, they really need to get everyone on board before going to the press.

So yeah, forgive me if I remain skeptical when

the current administration puts out any information on current events.

[Conan71]

Did you even bother to watch the damned video? The change in story was from our STATE department. Sheesh. Watch it and learn.

Why do you keep trying to convince the postman?

[guido911]

Ah, the good old days.  We all had better memories than we seem to have today.  Accuracy, however, is another issue.

My point exactly. Good thing we found all those WMDs in Iraq after we invaded. After all, we had the intel and photos before we went in, and since it no longer matters what we learn after the fact in Nate's world, we'll stick with finding nukes and anthrax.

[nathanm]

My point exactly. Good thing we found all those WMDs in Iraq after we invaded. After all, we had the intel and photos before we went in, and since it no longer matters what we learn after the fact in Nate's world, we'll stick with finding nukes and anthrax.

No we didn't, we had a bunch of manufactured evidence, as reported in the NYT and elsewhere before the invasion. Had the AP printed photos of Saddam's purported NBC facilities, your analogy would make sense. As it is, you're just grasping at straws. Perhaps you need to reacquaint yourself with the arrow of time.

Moreover, I didn't say I can't be convinced, I said I can't be convinced with bare assertions in the face of actual evidence. Perhaps there will be evidence disclosed in the hearings.

[Gaspar]

Watching Morning Joke on MSNBS this morning at the gym and they were all just flabbergasted at the official report from the State Dept.  They were attempting to walk through scenarios as to why the administration would push the false story to the American Public.  Unfortunately the pretty idiots did not connect the simplest of dots.

Major campaign event in Las Vegas that day at the Area Hotel and Casino, and a private campaign dinner that night with big money donors in Colorado!

Party with Jay-Z and Beyonce a few days later that featured a champagne tower of 350 bottles worth $105,000.


Had Ambassador Rice been instructed to tell the truth, that we were attacked by Al Qaeda, it would have looked irresponsible and insensitive for the president to attend such events.  Instead, movie (that had already been condemned by the Muslim world months before) provided a convenient escape from responsible action and saved these very important fund raisers. 

Now that Mrs. Clinton is telling the truth, this is going to get much worse for the President.  He shouldn't' have hired that woman.  She's not going to be his patsy.

The State Department has now confirmed that in fact there was NO PROTEST.

OFFICIAL AP REPORT:  When Stevens finished his final meeting of the day, he escorted a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the building. The situation was calm, the officials said, and there were no protests. Five U.S. agents and four local militiamen were providing security.
A little more than an hour later, around 9:40 p.m., everything changed.

The compound's agents were alerted by loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks near the entrance for the local militiamen was burned down. In the control center, agents watched on cameras as a large group of armed men flowed into the compound. They immediately sounded the alarm and made telephone calls to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and the U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.  http://news.yahoo.com/state-dept-reveals-details-benghazi-attack-062900114.html

The protest story was inserted by the White House for reasons we don't yet know but I suspect it was to preserve the president's campaign schedule.  The unfortunate concequence either way was that reports from the US and international media citing the Video as the cause, are responsible for sparking other protests, destruction, and death at other embassy's as Muslims took up arms in what they believed to be an organic protest against the fabrication. 

Big lies have big consequences.  The president needs to learn that all of the campaign money and champagne in the world is not worth this.

[Conan71]

I'm surprised no one has scolded you for the blue type-face this morning.

[Townsend]

I'm surprised no one has scolded you for the blue type-face this morning.

Wasn't it agreed that most of us would just skip it?

[Hoss]

I'm surprised no one has scolded you for the blue type-face this morning.

It's bad form...and you know who the forum police is!

[guido911]

Here is Jake Tapper going after our president who shoots first, aims later (sound familiar?):

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jake-tapper-grills-carney-on-libya-didnt-president-obama-shoot-first-and-aim-later/

As a note, Tapper does respond to tweets if you want to get some insight on how the press sometimes acts. I got a response from him on the issue of polls and how the media handles them.

[guido911]

Nothing more coming from Nate?

[Conan71]

Just wait, the "Bush invaded Iraq on lies" bleat will become the response to this clusterfark.