Hobby Lobby or How I Chose God Over Country

[guido911]

And here's another. 

http://thefederalist.com/2014/03/25/five-false-perceptions-about-the-hobby-lobby-case/

Your link backs up my overall problem with internet memes and how a perception from those agenda-driven becomes fact to the ignorant.

[rebound]

Your link backs up my overall problem with internet memes and how a perception from those agenda-driven becomes fact to the ignorant.

Agreed.   As long as we all realize that both sides are equally guilty of cherry-picking our sources to fit our opinions.

[guido911]

Agreed.   As long as we all realize that both sides are equally guilty of cherry-picking our sources to fit our opinions.

Remember the title of this thread. Not exactly one where you need to look far for cherry-picked sources.

[rebound]

Remember the title of this thread. Not exactly one where you need to look far for cherry-picked sources.

Yep.   

There was a great discussion on this topic on POTUS radio yesterday.   Rick Ungar was filling in for Smerconish.  Did a great job of taking all the emotion out of both sides, and focusing the discussion on the aspect of incorporation and how/if that creates a separation from individual religious protection.  It's nice to hear a (rare) level-headed discussion about an issue like this.

[heironymouspasparagus]

You simply have no idea what you are talking about. Repeating internet memes is no substitute for knowledge. Google "corporate personhood", research the court's view on the reasons why it exists and why corporations form, and get back to us in a few weeks. That is how long it should take you to understand the concept.

Oh,....puuuulllllleeeeeaaaaasssseeeee....!!!!

Internet memes is what Fox is all about - with not even an attempt at a substitute for knowledge.  Are you "Foxing" on us here??

The court's views on corporate person-hood go the 'hijacking' of those courts by a reactionary judicial that has redefined what the tool was meant to be - a corporation - for the use and benefit of society.  Peter Drucker IS the definitive authority on said tool, and he defined what it's uses and operations SHOULD be.  "Harvard School of Business" in the meantime for the last 30+ years has gone another direction - the direction defined by the hijackers of both Congress AND Corporate America.

It's kind of like when God said something about giving man dominion over the earth - but man promptly forgot that he was also charged with the social responsibility to act as steward of that earth....as in Genesis 1:28.... well "Harvard School of Business" has forgotten it's responsibility to the society that corporations were created to advance.  They were NOT created as just a tool for a handful of CEO's to get rich with - they WERE created for  the benefit of society as a whole.  But hey, when you can buy your own Congress....what the heck...go for it!!




See that pesky little admonition about "replenish the earth" below.  But they really ARE such small words, they cannot possibly have been meant by God to apply to US....!!  We have done everything commanded except for one!

Genesis - King James version.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

[Hoss]

Hmmm......

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/01/Hobby-Lobby-invests-in-contraception-manufacturers/6221396380280/

Hypocrisy much?  Maybe not, since many companies do not know what mutual funds they're investing in for the company retirement portfolio.

However, this could come into play with the current SCOTUS case being heard.

[cannon_fodder]

How's:

They also DID offer these benefits under their old plan.  They only dropped the coverage after deciding to sue:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

Just an excuse to be a fake martyr.  It was a non issue to their beliefs apperently until 2012...

[cannon_fodder]

Now Hobby Lobby is sponsoring Bible Class in Oklahoma Public schools, after thwarting the regular process.  Surely the school will offer Hindu, Satanist, and Islam classes too.  What?  No?  The State is just teaching one religion on a Protestant bible?

The hell you say.  Its almost like the Greens just want THEIR beliefs enforced.

[Conan71]

The hell you say.  Its almost like the Greens just want THEIR beliefs enforced.

Shocked I say, just shocked!  I would have never seen such a conclusion coming!

[Hoss]

Hmm...and the plot thickens.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140521-oklahoma-school-board-members-met-privately-with-hobby-lobby-president-on-bible-class.ece

http://www.news9.com/story/25586839/ap-ok-school-board-discussed-bible-class-with-hobby-lobby-president

Love how they circumvented public meeting laws here.  Not really, but you get my point.  Why do that if they were afraid of some kind of consequence?

[Townsend]

BREAKING NEWS: High Court Rules in Hobby Lobby Case

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/breaking-news-high-court-rules-hobby-lobby-case

WASHINGTON (AP) — Supreme Court says employers with religious objections can refuse to pay for contraception.

Modified:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court says corporations can hold religious objections that allow them to opt out of the new health law requirement that they cover contraceptives for women.

The justices' 5-4 decision Monday is the first time that the high court has ruled that profit-seeking businesses can hold religious views under federal law. And it means the Obama administration must search for a different way of providing free contraception to women who are covered under objecting companies' health insurance plans.

[heironymouspasparagus]

BREAKING NEWS: High Court Rules in Hobby Lobby Case

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/breaking-news-high-court-rules-hobby-lobby-case

Anybody surprised??


Given the reactionary judiciary we have in this country....(quote from an extremely RWRE acquaintance - he was talking about other rulings, but this also applies.)

[saintnicster]

Anybody surprised??

I wanted to be

[cannon_fodder]

I'm waiting for Guido and the GOP to complain about activist judges granting for profit corporations religious beliefs, something that has never been done in the history of the world.  Think about it - a business entity formed for the purpose of making money while shielding owners from liability has religious beliefs and it can enforce those beliefs on others.

Hobby Lobby, Inc., has religious views that it can enforce against its employees and use to defeat federal law.  This is terrifying.  When the sovereign wealth fund of Dubai purchases another major american corporation, can it enforce Sharia law on employees, refuse to hire Jews, or not render taxes to the Great Satan on religious grounds?  Do corporations now have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to adopt the most profitable religion?  Can a for-profit corporation owned by a Muslim refuse to hire non-muslims?  Can religions that believe being black is the mark of Cain refuse to hire black people?

A new law was made today.  It will take a decade to really know what it means.  Must read opinion.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm waiting for Guido and the GOP to complain about activist judges granting for profit corporations religious beliefs, something that has never been done in the history of the world.  Think about it - a business entity formed for the purpose of making money while shielding owners from liability has religious beliefs and it can enforce those beliefs on others.

Hobby Lobby, Inc., has religious views that it can enforce against its employees and use to defeat federal law.  This is terrifying.  When the sovereign wealth fund of Dubai purchases another major american corporation, can it enforce Sharia law on employees, refuse to hire Jews, or not render taxes to the Great Satan on religious grounds?  Do corporations now have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to adopt the most profitable religion?  Can a for-profit corporation owned by a Muslim refuse to hire non-muslims?  Can religions that believe being black is the mark of Cain refuse to hire black people?

A new law was made today.  It will take a decade to really know what it means.  Must read opinion.

Could be ironic if they did comment.... bet you didn't know there was an agenda to make the US into a theocracy, did ya?