Mitt Romney... 47 percent will vote for Obama "no matter what"

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53% of the public supports the other 47%

This is a complete fabrication. Why do you insist on lying? We all pay many forms of tax. Property tax, sales tax, user fees, the list goes on.

What percentage do you think it is?  I do not count Social Security and Medicare since I believe they are earned benefits.

For the moment, set aside why people are dependent on the government.  There is plenty of blame to go around.  It's unlikely that very many people believe that the government is providing 100% support for 47% of the population.  Public support includes food stamps and earned income tax credits.  Welfare benefits are obvious support but are not always 100% support. 

Yes, we all pay many forms of tax, including the wealthy.

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Does Mitt not realize that many of those 47% are republicans who were going to vote for him? Now that he has insulted them and pointed out why they should not vote for him, they probably won't.

Artist evidently has experience that says those Republicans that are part of the 47% will still vote for Romney.  (At least among Oklahoma residents.)

First off, I would bet that a very large portion of that 47% are Republicans  (I wonder what the actual percentage is).  Secondly, yes they would vote for a candidate who promises to end that dependence.

If what Artist sees is true, it would appear that Romney may not have hurt himself too badly.

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What difference does it make in the context of this discussion where Romney cherry picked a single year's tax statistics to claim that 47% of the country is dependent on the government? Like their circumstances are apparently irrelevant to Romney (and Gassy), the circumstances of high income people that allow them to get away with paying zero income tax is equally irrelevant. Can't have it both ways.

I asked two simple questions that I expect you have answers for right at your finger tips.  I gave you a reason for asking.  As discussed before, you are not obligated to answer. 

You made a statement without references.  You have frequently asked for references.  Providing a link to your information would be far more polite than just telling me to go look something up if I want to verify your numbers.

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If you don't think he's conservative, then why do you say you'll vote for him?

Barring extraordinary circumstances, one of two men will be President of the USA for the next 4 years.  If you don't want it to be Obama more than you don't want it to be Romney, the realistic choice is to vote for Romney.  Not voting will remove your right to complain about the results.

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So are the "dooshbags" like Romney, Gates, Buffet and other tycoons who get to only pay 15% on those gains.

Just for grins I decided to find the income level for us ordinary folks to pay an effective 15% income tax rate using the standard deduction and exemption(s).

For married filing jointly:

$119000 AGI
$11600   Standard deduction
$7400     Exemption, 2 at $3700 ea
$100000  Taxable income
$17244    Income tax

$17244/$119000 = 14.49%


Single:

$62500  AGI
$5800    Standard Deduction
$3700   Exemption
$53000  Taxable income
$9381    Income tax

$9381/$62500 = 15.01%

If you have a 401K available, you can add approximately 15% to your AGI without raising your taxes.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

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How do the 23 million unemployed or under-employed, $4 a gallon gas, roughly $7 trillion more in debt (and remember whomever is in the WH next year inherits even more debt from this fiscal year and budget, not forcing the Senate to approve a budget, and a "healthcare overhaul" which does nothing more than shift payment points while incurring more debt for the gov't sit with you?

What about Obama's presidency is not a train wreck?

Funny how a guy who pretends to have a major mancrush on Bill Clinton can't see the forest for the trees....

Funny how before I get on the Stillwater BOB bus back to Tulsa, I see CNN and Fox in the lobby, and YOU, Mr. Conan, are parroting the meme you got from Faux News... you also HATED Obama from Day 1, so you have zero credibility on his accomplishments as president... I voted for Obama over Mrs. Clinton, and I am happy to not have a democrat president who finds some useful scumbag like Dick Morris to "triangulate" his policies... Clinton wanted healthcare reform, Obama got it done... Clinton and Bush didn't get bin laden, Obama DID.... Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive, no thanks to Republicans....

If dems were unhappy with Obama, he would have had a primary challenger...

Obama's Top 50 Accomplishments
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

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Clinton and Bush didn't get bin laden, Obama DID.... Bin Laden is dead

Obama didn't do that.

Navy Seals, intelligence services, and taxpayer dollars for equipment did that.

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You must be contributing faster than it is losing market value.  Are you a closet 1%er?

What ARE you talking about?
Check the stock market... now, check the stock market when Obama took office... if you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.

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Obama didn't do that.

Navy Seals, intelligence services, and taxpayer dollars for equipment did that.

Obama made the DECISION to go after bin laden because he IS the decider.... dubya famously said he didn't care about bin laden.
If the mission went badly, I can guarantee that YOU would be among the first to BLAME OBAMA...
Typical partisan arrogance.

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Obama made the DECISION to go after bin laden because he IS the decider.... dubya famously said he didn't care about bin laden.
If the mission went badly, I can guarantee that YOU would be among the first to BLAME OBAMA...
Typical partisan arrogance.

So then you believe that business owners did build their businesses.

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What ARE you talking about?
Check the stock market... now, check the stock market when Obama took office... if you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.

Keep thinking.

[RecycleMichael]

Obama didn't do that.
Navy Seals, intelligence services, and taxpayer dollars for equipment did that.

And by your logic Osama bin Laden didn't fly the airplanes into the buildings.

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Wow.  RM, your signature is about the epitome of the right-leaners in this thread.  This is pretty much why I've done away with any discourse with them.  You could tell them water is wet.  They'd want proof.

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And by your logic Osama bin Laden didn't fly the airplanes into the buildings.

Business leaders didn't build the infrastructure required to build their businesses.

Obama didn't train the Seals, gather the intelligence, fly the choppers get sentenced to jail for 30 years for supplying info to the US.

bin Laden didn't build the airplanes, airports, air traffic control and didn't train the pilots.

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Wow.  RM, your signature is about the epitome of the right-leaners in this thread.  This is pretty much why I've done away with any discourse with them.  You could tell them water is wet.  They'd want proof.

No, I know water is wet without your help.  I would, however, look west in the morning for the sunrise if you told me it rises in the east.  

How many times have you asked a right leaner for a link?