Mitt Romney... 47 percent will vote for Obama "no matter what"

[nathanm]

I am not sure what is more pathetic. People thinking this comment, which is nothing more that a restatement of this bozo, is offensive:

One person speaks for themselves and Romney is stupid enough to generalize that to 47% of the electorate? You might try another line of argument, counselor.

[Gaspar]

One person speaks for themselves and Romney is stupid enough to generalize that to 47% of the electorate? You might try another line of argument, counselor.

What he said was 100% accurate though.  47% of the people have grown to be dependent on government, and will not likely vote for a candidate who promises to end that dependence.

The grotesque element of that comment is that it is true, and should not be.  It would be different if it was possible to debate the validity of the ratio, but it is accurate.  53% of the public supports the other 47%, and for whatever reason, be it elderly, student, unemployed, unskilled, uneducated, unmotivated, or just unlucky, this shouldn't be acceptable.  All Americans should have access to the skills, education, and opportunities to be free of dependence on others.  Our parents and grandparents should have the resources to retire comfortably without fear that what they worked so hard for will be pillaged by government or diluted with inflation.

The dangerous flaw in the current system that cannot be denied, is that falling on government dependence is very difficult to escape.  The current administration pushes dependence programs, working to increase dependence.  Once enslaved, the people become generational dependents that politicians both Republican and Democrat struggle to keep.  Paid voters, fed with scraps, and motivated by threats to cut off their funds, or healthcare, or education.

His comments angered both Republicans and Democrats, but most of us Libertarians are thrilled that a candidate would actually say this.  There are now some rumors that this was actually leaked on purpose to change the dialoge.  If so, I like the direction it's taking.  

This is a good morning.  Today, Romney looks a little less like a Republican.

[Hoss]

What he said was 100% accurate though.  47% of the people have grown to be dependent on government, and will not likely vote for a candidate who promises to end that dependence.

The grotesque element of that comment is that it is true, and should not be.  It would be different if it was possible to debate the validity of the ratio, but it is accurate.  53% of the public supports the other 47%, and for whatever reason, be it elderly, student, unemployed, unskilled, uneducated, unmotivated, or just unlucky, this shouldn't be acceptable.  All Americans should have access to the skills, education, and opportunities to be free of dependence on others.  Our parents and grandparents should have the resources to retire comfortably without fear that what they worked so hard for will be pillaged by government or diluted with inflation.

The dangerous flaw in the current system that cannot be denied, is that falling on government dependence is very difficult to escape.  The current administration pushes dependence programs, working to increase dependence.  Once enslaved, the people become generational dependents that politicians both Republican and Democrat struggle to keep.  Paid voters, fed with scraps.

His comments angered both Republicans and Democrats, but most of us Libertarians are thrilled that a candidate would actually say this.  There are now some rumors that this was actually leaked on purpose to change the dialoge.  If so, I like the direction it's taking.  

This is a good morning.  Today, Romney looks a little less like a Republican.

Yep.  And a little more (if that were possible) like an elitist tool that most of us know him as.  If you think this helps him then please continue to drink the Kool Aid.

[nathanm]

What he said was 100% accurate though.  47% of the people have grown to be dependent on government, and will not likely vote for a candidate who promises to end that dependence.

It's impossible to make a rational argument when you're busy hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see.

53% of the public supports the other 47%

This is a complete fabrication. Why do you insist on lying? We all pay many forms of tax. Property tax, sales tax, user fees, the list goes on.

[Hoss]

It's impossible to make a rational argument when you're busy hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see.

This is a complete fabrication. Why do you insist on lying? We all pay many forms of tax. Property tax, sales tax, user fees, the list goes on.

I'd say 'consider the source', but since some people on here get a sad when I do that, I won't.

[nathanm]

I wonder what Gaspar thinks of the over 10,000 tax units with an income of over $200,000 that paid no income tax in 2009. (Or the 1,480 of those who had zero worldwide income tax liability)

The entire concept might make his head explode...

[Gaspar]

I wonder what Gaspar thinks of the over 10,000 tax units with an income of over $200,000 that paid no income tax in 2009. (Or the 1,480 of those who had zero worldwide income tax liability)

The entire concept might make his head explode...

I wonder why they paid no taxes?

The current tax system is abhorrent.  Perhaps we can agree that it needs to be "reformed"?

Liberals like the word reform don't they?

6,000 pages of loopholes, advantages, layers, and incomprehensible complexity make for an uneven playing field for everyone.

[Red Arrow]

I wonder what Gaspar thinks of the over 10,000 tax units with an income of over $200,000 that paid no income tax in 2009. (Or the 1,480 of those who had zero worldwide income tax liability)

How many tax $ does that represent?  What are the circumstances that allowed them to pay no income tax?  Inquiring minds want to know.

[RecycleMichael]

What he said was 100% accurate though.  47% of the people have grown to be dependent on government, and will not likely vote for a candidate who promises to end that dependence.

Does Mitt not realize that many of those 47% are republicans who were going to vote for him? Now that he has insulted them and pointed out why they should not vote for him, they probably won't.

[DolfanBob]

I paid a higher rate of federal taxes than Mitt Romney did last year.
And I won't vote for a "legacy" who thinks "middle income" is a salary of $200k to $250k per year...

If that's middle income, then I'm way below poverty level.

[Gaspar]

Does Mitt not realize that many of those 47% are republicans who were going to vote for him? Now that he has insulted them and pointed out why they should not vote for him, they probably won't.

If they value their dependence then they shouldn't.

If they value opportunity over opportunism then they probably will.

I guess we will see.

[nathanm]

How many tax $ does that represent?  What are the circumstances that allowed them to pay no income tax?  Inquiring minds want to know.

What difference does it make in the context of this discussion where Romney cherry picked a single year's tax statistics to claim that 47% of the country is dependent on the government? Like their circumstances are apparently irrelevant to Romney (and Gassy), the circumstances of high income people that allow them to get away with paying zero income tax is equally irrelevant. Can't have it both ways.

[nathanm]

If they value their dependence then they shouldn't.

Who was it that said you can't reason someone out of an opinion that isn't based on reason?

[RecycleMichael]

If they value opportunity over opportunism then they probably will.

Pure B.S.

I have rarely read comments that both are meant to be insulting yet mean nothing. But you and shadows have that together.

[nathanm]

I have rarely read comments that both are meant to be insulting yet mean nothing. But you and shadows have that together.

He will make a fine Republican officeholder someday, if they manage to keep staggering on without any kind of vision or plan, anyway.