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Biden v Ryan debate

Started by Townsend, September 25, 2012, 12:18:33 PM

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Ed W

Quote from: Conan71 on September 26, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
The right suppresses votes by requiring identification.  The left does it with polls.  ::)

Not necessarily true, Conan, because the leading candidate's supporters might become complacent, thinking that their guy has is sewn up, and therefore they don't really need to show up at the polls.

One other thing - I heard today that the RNC or the Romney campaign latched onto the polls-have-a-liberal-slant meme that Rush and others have promoted.  Further, the campaign came out with its own figures showing that Romney is ahead nationwide.  If so, the party is becoming divorced from reality, or so it would appear.  After the election, do you think there will be any accountability for such self-delusion?  That's assuming that the president wins, of course.  Right now, the odds are 3:1 in his favor.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

swake

Quote from: Ed W on September 26, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
If so, the party is becoming divorced from reality, or so it would appear. 

BECOMING divorced from reality? The Republican party has been running a death race to distance themselves from reality ever since Obama won in '08.

guido911

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Quote from: swake on September 26, 2012, 05:56:25 PM
BECOMING divorced from reality? The Republican party has been running a death race to distance themselves from reality ever since Obama won in '08.

Someone forgot 2010....Here, let me help you.



Now, who is divorced from reality? Somehow I think this is a pic of ol' swake.

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on September 26, 2012, 07:32:42 PM
Someone forgot 2010....Here, let me help you.

You're a hoot. Let me help with that:

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: Townsend on September 26, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
Tough to do when you live in Oklahoma.

Especially if you lean left of center.
 

Red Arrow

Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 26, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
My work here is done.

He may be confused but I think he is kidding about voting for Obama.  Get back to work.
 

Red Arrow

Quote from: Ed W on September 26, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
That's assuming that the president wins, of course.  Right now, the odds are 3:1 in his favor.

3:1?  I'll believe a lead for Obama but not 3:1, even nationwide.  Maybe in a state as blue as Oklahoma is red but that's about all.
 

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on September 26, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
3:1?  I'll believe a lead for Obama but not 3:1, even nationwide.  Maybe in a state as blue as Oklahoma is red but that's about all.

Odds, not percentage. Interestingly, multiple polls are showing that somewhere around 55-60% of people think Obama will win while only 30-40% think Romney will win. Only around 50% planning to vote for Obama and around 45% plan to vote for Romney. Apparently quite a few Romney supporters think Obama will be reelected, or at least they're telling pollsters that.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 07:41:15 PM
You're a hoot. Let me help with that:



I thought I asked before. Tell us again about your post high school education creds?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
Odds, not percentage.

I understand the difference.  I still find 3:1 a bit difficult to believe.
 

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on September 26, 2012, 09:26:57 PM
I understand the difference.  I still find 3:1 a bit difficult to believe.

Take it up with the folks at intrade.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 09:32:04 PM
Take it up with the folks at intrade.

I wonder what percentage of regular folk voters even know about that place.  Looks like a fancy bookie place to me.
 

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on September 26, 2012, 10:01:31 PM
I wonder what percentage of regular folk voters even know about that place.  Looks like a fancy bookie place to me.

Probably somewhere between zero and one percent, but nobody said it was an opinion poll. It's a market (or a bookmaking operation, if you prefer)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Red Arrow

Quote from: nathanm on September 26, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
Probably somewhere between zero and one percent, but nobody said it was an opinion poll.

Ed W didn't exactly say it was the result of an opinion poll but he certainly left me with that impression.

QuoteIt's a market (or a bookmaking operation, if you prefer)

It's not worth my time to investigate their claims of accuracy.  The simple yes or no option may skew some results.  Maybe not if the sample size is big enough.   If Intrade were to ask if people thought they would be killed in a car accident in the next week, would the betting come close to actual statistics? 
 

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on September 26, 2012, 10:46:43 PM
would the betting come close to actual statistics? 

Actual statistics tell much the same story. There are a lot of folks doing it and they all come up good for Obama right now since the polls have been pretty good to him lately.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln