More SINGLE Family Homes Proposed Downtown

[Teatownclown]

Cherry Street is not a great urban example for what we should build downtown. It's a great neighborhood and I'm glad to see it become more dense with row house style development but it's not an urban center like Downtown should be. To think that we could be building single family homes in the heart of Downtown along a Streetcar route..

We really need to think about an ordinance that states with any new residential development inside the IDL, there has to be street level retail space.

You could easily take the piece of land, put retail on the first level and have residential areas above.. I've seen plenty of creative ideas generated by small pieces of land in urban centers.

I don't think government should be able to put demands on a developer that go outside the zoning code. Also, JW has parking dedicated adjacent to the housing as indicated in the TW article.

I think this may be a red herring or a trial balloon with the end result being retail. The rendering I think I saw indicated outdoor seating, umbrella tables, and a more flexible land use.

[cannon_fodder]

Bok and/or Williams will not let that empty lot go cheap... if at all.  They need more space as it is.  Both have shown a hesitation or unwillingness to rehab old.  That is the logical expansion site.

[Teatownclown]

Bok and/or Williams will not let that empty lot go cheap... if at all.  They need more space as it is.  Both have shown a hesitation or unwillingness to rehab old.  That is the logical expansion site.

Heir Kaiser...it's in good hands.

[DowntownDan]

Bok and/or Williams will not let that empty lot go cheap... if at all.  They need more space as it is.  Both have shown a hesitation or unwillingness to rehab old.  That is the logical expansion site.

If that is the case, then build a garage there with street level retail.  I really don't understand why our parking garages do not have that.

[JCnOwasso]

Bok and/or Williams will not let that empty lot go cheap... if at all.  They need more space as it is.  Both have shown a hesitation or unwillingness to rehab old.  That is the logical expansion site.

Mirror the One Place development.  Retail, parking, then residential (in lieu of offices).  Let's get creative, and I don't mean let's force something in an area where it shouldn't be forced.  If TPA is trying to sell off this property, lets get them to throw in couple parking passes.  And what, exactly, is a HOA going to do for this location?  I really don't see them tossing in a pool or have a common space, ala Metro at Brady.

[sgrizzle]

And what, exactly, is a HOA going to do for this location? 

It's like a fundraiser. For every dollar, Joe Westervelt gets to be cranky for another minute.

[TheTed]

The lack of included parking spaces was striking to me. We have this undesirable strip of land next to a garage that's totally full, what, five times a year (and you have to go all the way to the roof deck to tell me it's full). I've never seen it full on a big event night.

So why can't we throw in a half dozen parking spots. The cost to the city is basically nothing. The lack of manned hours at the pay booth, allowing lots of free parking, tells me the city doesn't care that much about collecting the parking money anyway.

[tulsasooner]

Think this is a great idea! Can't wait to see them break ground on this.  This reminds me, whats the latest on Greenarch?  How about Brady flats?  Hope they are both coming along!

[dbacks fan]

And what, exactly, is a HOA going to do for this location?  I really don't see them tossing in a pool or have a common space, ala Metro at Brady.

It creates a psuedo-govt entity that depending on the laws in Oklahoma, can file a lien against the property for nonpayment of dues, and foreclose on the property and evict the owner.

Have been a homeowner with an HOA, and will never do it again. Too many people have too much time to look for CCR infractions, and exact fines that can escalate into expensive court costs, and paying for things that you may not use or have access to, HOA's are little totalitarian fifedoms.

[carltonplace]

Think this is a great idea! Can't wait to see them break ground on this.  This reminds me, whats the latest on Greenarch?  How about Brady flats?  Hope they are both coming along!

Green Arch has slabs down.
Brady Flats has not started.

[JCnOwasso]

It creates a psuedo-govt entity that depending on the laws in Oklahoma, can file a lien against the property for nonpayment of dues, and foreclose on the property and evict the owner.

Have been a homeowner with an HOA, and will never do it again. Too many people have too much time to look for CCR infractions, and exact fines that can escalate into expensive court costs, and paying for things that you may not use or have access to, HOA's are little totalitarian fifedoms.

Completely understandable and I completely agree about never wanting to be apart of one again, but generally a HOA is there "for the greater good" (shameless Hot Fuzz quote).  There is something that the funds go towards.  Ours takes care of common area grounds maintenance, the swimming pool and clubhouse, the ponds, and the play grounds.  This area is barely big enough to support the suggested "flats".  Is there going to be a roof top common area or something like that?  If I am paying a HOA, there has to be an exchange of consideration.  In this case, paying a HOA to merely pay a HOA is not exceptable and I am willing to say that these "young professionals" they are aiming at are a little smarter than to except it. 

At 125 per SF, I would rather go find a nice historical house in mid town where I have a garage, a yard, some trees, and where my views are not of a parking garage and a surface lot.  Perhaps I am not young professional enough for this area, but it is my demographic they are aiming towards.  But the wife and I have considered moving downtown and if we didn't have a small zoo, we would have already done so.  As much as I would love to own a place downtown, rather than rent, I am not going to pay what they are saying this will cost.

[rdj]

At 125 per SF, I would rather go find a nice historical house in mid town where I have a garage, a yard, some trees, and where my views are not of a parking garage and a surface lot.  Perhaps I am not young professional enough for this area, but it is my demographic they are aiming towards.  But the wife and I have considered moving downtown and if we didn't have a small zoo, we would have already done so.  As much as I would love to own a place downtown, rather than rent, I am not going to pay what they are saying this will cost.

If you want to live downtown but want the amenities of midtown you should look into the Owen Park, Brady Heights, Crosby Heights, Reservoir Hill areas.  Lots of great older homes at great prices.  Very, very few houses over $100/ft.  I paid $35/ft for my house.  I'll have $75-80/ft in it once I'm done remodeling, but that is much cheaper than midtown and I'm 15 blocks from Cains Ballroom.

[carltonplace]

If you want to live downtown but want the amenities of midtown you should look into the Owen Park, Brady Heights, Crosby Heights, Reservoir Hill areas.  Lots of great older homes at great prices.  Very, very few houses over $100/ft.  I paid $35/ft for my house.  I'll have $75-80/ft in it once I'm done remodeling, but that is much cheaper than midtown and I'm 15 blocks from Cains Ballroom.

Yep, I'm in Riverview just south of downtown and spent $52/sqft for a century old craftsman jewel. Downtown is my backyard.

[DTowner]

Whether as retail or residential, it seems odd that this small parcel would be the first thing on this block to get developed.  It really seems like it would be the last development to happen on the block.  I get that it is less expensive than other areas downtown, but retail here at this time would be a stretch because there is nothing to create much foot traffic to this fringe of the business district during the day - you don't walk by this spot to go to anything else.  Once the bridge is open, there might be some foot traffic from the Brady District to the BOK during events, but I question how many people will walk from the Brady to the BOK.  Plus, traffic only on event nights isn't going to sustain a business.  Residential seems a stretch because it is a big risk to buy in this location when you don't know what's going to happen across the street in the long run - could stay a large surface lot or could become a high rise office buidling.  Neither one makes these few houses much of a draw when the first buyers seek to sell down the road.  Like so many things involving the TDA and any announced development, time will tell if anything ever comes of it.

[RecycleMichael]

Yep, I'm in Riverview just south of downtown and spent $52/sqft for a century old craftsman jewel. Downtown is my backyard.

I bought a house in Sungate (56th and Sheridan) for $35/sqft and remodeled it for another $18/sqft.

I can walk to four shopping centers and 30 restaurants in my square mile.

I hate the traffic, however.