Romney blows it during debate

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sorry, "that's not my plan [any more]." The [any more] is implied by his plan suddenly not being the plan he has been touting for the last several months. Presumably. Either that or Romney was lying, but surely that wasn't the gambit.

Red understood exactly what you meant - he's just being contrary.

[guido911]

You know bottom line, it does not matter what we think of the debate here in Oklahoma.   Our Electoral Votes will go to Mitt Romney that is a 100% certainly.  

What I'm interested in is what the so called swing states thought.  Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio.   The people in those states will decide this election.  

You'd think Oklahoma was a swing state if you only read this forum...

[Gaspar]

Romney debated an empty chair last night.

Poor President Obama had nothing to offer.  Nothing new, but sound bites he was fed.  Unfortunately for him, Romney was well practiced at Axelrodisms.

The Washington Times offers an interesting account:

Bewildered and lost without his teleprompter, President Obama flailed all around the debate stage last night. He was stuttering, nervous and petulant. It was like he had been called in front of the principal after goofing around for four years and blowing off all his homework.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/3/hurt-obama-debater-making-jimmy-carter-look-awesom/

. . .and this from Bill Maher:  "Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney."

[Red Arrow]

Sooooo...your link is the support to the fact that your posts are a load of carp...??    (Sorry...just couldn't resist...)

No, of course.  My first thought was to post a completely unrelated link to either of our posts to demonstrate how disconnected you are but then moved more toward the horse$hit that your link was.  I decided to tone it down a bit.

[Red Arrow]

Red understood exactly what you meant - he's just being contrary.

Contrary to the concept of adding words and then repeating it frequently enough that it becomes the "truth".

[Red Arrow]

That's exactly what half that post was about....neither one of them has enough brains think his way out of a brown paper bag....
It's one of those "if brains were dynamite, they couldn't blow their nose..." things.

That's the engineer-centric view, but not surprisingly, very accurate.  Bumper sticker:  Have you hugged an engineer today?

Unfortunately, I also find your manipulation of numbers to be somewhat less than rigorous at times.

[DolfanBob]

I liked the. I have five children. And they think if they say the same thing over and over again, That I will begin to believe it.

[Conan71]

I think President Obama had his Jimmy Carter moment last night.  After all the cheap shots, smears, and half (and less) truths coming from the Obama campaign and all the PAC's, people can finally see how their "leader" stacks up to Romney. 

Romney did a very good job of contrasting what leadership and celebrity look like side-by-side.

From what I've heard so far this morning, Romney got a huge bump with the undecideds in the swing states.

[Townsend]

While a bit surprised the President took the high road and didn't mention Romney's weakest points (47%, Bain, etc.),  I'll wait to call the whole debate battle until after the next two.

I'm guessing the puppet masters will ensure more practice by Obama before the next one.  Possibly some suggestions to come out swinging.

I'll agree with someone I heard this morning.  No reliable polling will be available for another day or two.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Obama got thrown off his game when Mitt came out with.  Mitt basically took Obama's positions before he could and anything negative about his plans were no longer his plans.  Its like crapping on the rug with everybody watching and then saying its not yours.

1) Rich people don't need tax cuts and WON'T get any.
2) His tax plan of cutting income taxes by 20% thus causing 5 trillion in lost revenue over 10 years isn't really his tax plan anymore (just touted by Ryan as the plan http://video.foxnews.com/v/1869261696001/exclusive-paul-ryan-on-fox-news-sunday/)
3) He wants to repeal Obamacare, then he only wants to repeal some of obamacare.  Although he didn't really say he had a problem with any of it other than cutting the Medicare payouts to doctors.
4) lied about covering pre-existing conditions, he wants the states to do that.
5) Romney no longer wants to increase the defense budget to 4% of GDP (the $2 trillion increase over, i belive, 10 years) http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-29/romney-s-defense-budget-growth-tops-cold-war-pace-bgov-insight

I liked how Romney said his tax cut will be "revenue neutral".  He didn't say when it would be revenue neutral though.  Of course he has no real specifics.  His tax cut might increase the deficit from year 1 to 490 but year 490 to 500 we will make it all back!

[Conan71]

I liked how Romney said his tax cut will be "revenue neutral".  He didn't say when it would be revenue neutral though.  Of course he has no real specifics.  His tax cut might increase the deficit from year 1 to 490 but year 490 to 500 we will make it all back!

Sounds about like all the unknowns and lack of specificity in Obamacare as of today.

[guido911]

It was the altitude's fault. 

[RecycleMichael]

I once had to give a speech in Breckenridge (9600 feet) and the altitude clearly affected me. I couldn't think straight and appeared lost (very similar to Obama last night).

Of course, Denver is only half that high and shouldn't have had the same effect.

I think Obama was stunned by Romney's answers. They were totally different than what Mitt has been saying this summer and it caught Obama off-guard. Romney also started aggresive and I think Obama thought it would be better to stay respectful and civil than to fight back. It proved to be a bad strategy last night.

The real winners were the press corps and political pundits. They now have a reason to stay on the campaign trail and be relevant. They are the ones who want it to be a close race until the end.   

[Conan71]

The obligatory fact checking of the debate:

Wa-Po

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/factchecking-the-first-presidential-debate-of-2012/2012/10/04/9d47934e-0d66-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_blog.html

The Prez's hometown rag:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-potus-debate-fact-check-20121004,0,5248662.story

Politifart:

http://www.politifact.com

[patric]

Just that one thing...