Romney blows it during debate

[Conan71]

You think I would, but I rarely watch anything other than food network, travel channel, and sports. That's it.

It's funny, I think about the only people who watch Fox are liberals.  I never hear what's on Fox from my uber conservative friends, just the liberal leaning ones.

[Townsend]

You think I would, but I rarely watch anything other than food network, travel channel, and sports. That's it.

Kudos.  Travel Channel is rife with commies though.

[Townsend]

I never hear what's on Fox from my uber conservative friends,

That's because they don't say "on Fox I saw...".  They say "on the news, some say...".

[Conan71]

Kudos.  Travel Channel is rife with commies though.

Bunch of libs on Food Network, but boy they sure can cook!

[nathanm]

Regardless of what you believe from using FRED charts as a crutch, the threat of:

-Higher taxes
-Higher payroll costs (Obamacare)
-More regulation

are an anathema to the creation of new jobs to small business.  These are the business owners who are more prone to hold off on hiring in what they consider an uncertain environment, real or imagined.

Funny how uncertainty isn't uncertainty if it's caused by Romney. How surprising.

[Red Arrow]

Unfortunately for the Murdochian, I do get it.  Along with the other 47%....

At least you think you do.

[Red Arrow]

Funny how uncertainty isn't uncertainty if it's caused by Romney. How surprising.

Depends on what the perceived uncertainties are.  If there are multiple acceptable alternatives, no one cares about the uncertainty.  If some of the alternatives are unacceptable, then people start caring.  What is acceptable or not is what makes politics such a hot spot.

[nathanm]

Depends on what the perceived uncertainties are.  If there are multiple acceptable alternatives, no one cares about the uncertainty.  If some of the alternatives are unacceptable, then people start caring.

I doubt many people will find it acceptable when they lose their mortgage interest deduction and house prices take a nosedive, or when they find that they can't get coverage for their pre-existing condition because they were out of work for 92 days, or when their kids end up dead in Iran, or when Sesame Street goes off the air, but whatever.

[Red Arrow]

I doubt many people will find it acceptable when they lose their mortgage interest deduction and house prices take a nosedive, or when they find that they can't get coverage for their pre-existing condition because they were out of work for 92 days, or when their kids end up dead in Iran, or when Sesame Street goes off the air, but whatever.

You, of course, perceive nothing but the worst options.

With regard to Iran, I remember the 1964 Presidential elections when the Democratic party successfully labeled Goldwater as the warmonger in the Viet Nam "situation".  There is a War Memorial, and a traveling one, to remind us of Goldwater's oops, make that Johnson's policies. 

I don't see the pre-existing condition coverage changing whether Romney changes his mind about it or not, even if Obamacare is repealed.  A repealed Obamacare will be replaced with something besides anarchy.

Please find the percentage and $ of funding to Big Bird from PBS.  I remember seeing (unfortunately I don't remember where but doubt it was on FOX) that our favorite PBS shows are not receiving a majority of their funding from PBS.  If enough people want Big Bird, they can send $30/yr to the semiannual fund drives.  Don't buy a couple of six packs of beer or cartons of cigarettes if your kids are at all important to you.

I will need to see the balance between the actual tax savings (not the value of the deduction) vs. the proposed lowering of the marginal rates and those tax savings before going into full panic mode.  I believe Romney is smart enough about the economy to not do something that will trash the housing market.  I don't expect you share my beliefs.  But then, I don't share your faith in Obama.

[Conan71]

Funny how uncertainty isn't uncertainty if it's caused by Romney. How surprising.

What matters right now is the business owners hooked on Beck, Hannity, and Limpbag who fear Obama is a socialist and collectivist, they believe Romney is their free market messiah.  Like I said real or imagined, that's their personal reality and they are free to run their business into the ground or prosper under such notions.

As far as the home mortgage interest deduction, due to the high exemptions and personal deductions, the mortgage interest deduction is pretty much worthless to folks in the lower to mid middle class.  I did the calcs a few years ago and I believe at the time if you had financed anything less than $115K or so, there was little benefit to the mortgage deduction unless you had a crap ton of medical expenses to go with it.

[Red Arrow]

Like I said real or imagined, that's their personal reality and they are free to run their business into the ground or prosper under such notions.

You are still thinking like a Republican.   You need to adapt to the philosophy that those business owners are NOT free to run their businesses into the ground.  That is the government's responsibility.

[nathanm]

What matters right now is the business owners hooked on Beck, Hannity, and Limpbag who fear Obama is a socialist and collectivist, they believe Romney is their free market messiah.  Like I said real or imagined, that's their personal reality and they are free to run their business into the ground or prosper under such notions.

Better to let them run themselves out of business if they're that out of touch with reality. It will make room in the market for those who do have a grasp on reality.

[Gaspar]

So what happens next week when Biden looks the fool but makes President Obama seem only slightly less inept?

Someone needs to start a thread labeled "Ryan blows it during the debate", come on, go for it Ed!

[nathanm]

So what happens next week when Biden looks the fool but makes President Obama seem only slightly less inept?

The next day everyone will look at the transcripts and realize they've been subjected to another night of the Republican campaign's incessant lies and still have no idea what Romney and Ryan's actual plans are since they refuse to provide any detail. Or maybe that will be their strategy, they'll finally provide some detail. It would totally be worth Ryan crushing Biden for us to get some actual information about what they plan to do.

[Red Arrow]

The next day everyone will look at the transcripts and realize they've been subjected to another night of the Republican campaign's incessant lies and still have no idea what Romney and Ryan's actual plans are since they refuse to provide any detail. Or maybe that will be their strategy, they'll finally provide some detail. It would totally be worth Ryan crushing Biden for us to get some actual information about what they plan to do.

I think I have not lost too many neurons yet but I don't remember a whole lot of details with Hope and Change 4 years ago.  It worked for Obama.  Maybe Romney is trying the same thing.