Why did Romney lose?

[erfalf]

Been gone for a while but I guess here's my take on the whole election:

Romney lost in a nutshell because he wasn't as "cool" as Obama. I'm sure there are dozens of other reasons, but none more significant in my opinion than the cool factor. Like it or not Hollywood has a stranglehold on a huge swath of the population in America and Tinseltown was decidedly in Obama's camp.

Watching the news in the days following was surreal. Pundit after pundit claiming that the Republican party needs to be more like the Democrat party. Well, I can tell you what the outcome of that strategy would be and it would not involve Republicans ever winning another election. The criticism of Romney for being too right wing was laughable considering his history. The only thing about Romney that was too "right wing" was that he worked for a PE firm and was really rich (just kidding, but I can't think of anything else).

Team Obama was able to dictate the conversation by always attacking Romney. A strategy that I wish Romney might have employed more of. I can't believe how congenial the last two Republican presidential candidates have been, and what has it got them? All this rhetoric about campaign's needing to be above board is just that, rhetoric. I'm ready to concede that it doesn't work.

And within minutes of the loss, I was already hearing Bush (Jeb) and Christy for 2016. Seriously? Personally, while he doesn't have the resources or notoriety, the Democrats worst nightmare in 2016 would be our someone like our vary own Senator Coburn. I am always amazed at how mutually respected the guy is in this state, even by the hard lefties. The guy means what he says, and says what he means. And he doesn't give a rat's arse about all this other insignificant crap.

Just my two cents.

[Townsend]

Been gone for a while but I guess here's my take on the whole election:

Romney lost in a nutshell because he wasn't as "cool" as Obama. I'm sure there are dozens of other reasons, but none more significant in my opinion than the cool factor. Like it or not Hollywood has a stranglehold on a huge swath of the population in America and Tinseltown was decidedly in Obama's camp.

Watching the news in the days following was surreal. Pundit after pundit claiming that the Republican party needs to be more like the Democrat party. Well, I can tell you what the outcome of that strategy would be and it would not involve Republicans ever winning another election. The criticism of Romney for being too right wing was laughable considering his history. The only thing about Romney that was too "right wing" was that he worked for a PE firm and was really rich (just kidding, but I can't think of anything else).

Team Obama was able to dictate the conversation by always attacking Romney. A strategy that I wish Romney might have employed more of. I can't believe how congenial the last two Republican presidential candidates have been, and what has it got them? All this rhetoric about campaign's needing to be above board is just that, rhetoric. I'm ready to concede that it doesn't work.

And within minutes of the loss, I was already hearing Bush (Jeb) and Christy for 2016. Seriously? Personally, while he doesn't have the resources or notoriety, the Democrats worst nightmare in 2016 would be our someone like our vary own Senator Coburn. I am always amazed at how mutually respected the guy is in this state, even by the hard lefties. The guy means what he says, and says what he means. And he doesn't give a rat's arse about all this other insignificant crap.

Just my two cents.

It was also the whole thing about immigration, women's rights, medical care, education, his running mate, his switching positions many times a day according to whom he's speaking, embarrassment to him and the USA when he did his world tour, the 47%, his inability to control his fellow Republicans and many many more things.

I don't think anyone said Romney was "too right wing".  It was most likely the right wing nut bombs who wouldn't shut their mouths and just get elected.

Romney was never close.  Ever.  Fox's headline the other day of You F'd up.  You trusted us." said it all.

I think you're only hearing one side about Coburn.  Your "hard lefties" are mis-identifying themselves to you.

There's your change.

[erfalf]

It was also the whole thing about immigration, women's rights, medical care, education, his running mate, his switching positions many times a day according to whom he's speaking, embarrassment to him and the USA when he did his world tour, the 47%, his inability to control his fellow Republicans and many many more things.

I don't think anyone said Romney was "too right wing".  It was most likely the right wing nut bombs who wouldn't shut their mouths and just get elected.

Romney was never close.  Ever.  Fox's headline the other day of You F'd up.  You trusted us." said it all.

I think you're only hearing one side about Coburn.  Your "hard lefties" are mis-identifying themselves to you.

There's your change.

If Romney wasn't "too right" then why all the "recommendations" to more farther left (not just Romney, but they entire party)?

Who on this board hate Coburn with the veracity that they hate, say Inhofe or Fallin? Personally I think he reveres that type of respect because it is difficult to criticize his positions. They are loaded with facts and hardly anyone would oppose them. Name one politician who is more widely agreed with.

[nathanm]

Who on this board hate Coburn with the veracity that they hate, say Inhofe or Fallin? Personally I think he reveres that type of respect because it is difficult to criticize his positions. They are loaded with facts and hardly anyone would oppose them. Name one politician who is more widely agreed with.

I disagree with almost everything he says and find that most of his positions are indeed divorced from reality. What he does have that Inhofe, for example, lacks, is the willingness to actually follow through. Inhofe claims to be against big government but votes for pork every chance he gets. Coburn gets kudos for not being a total hypocrite, not because people agree with him.

[erfalf]

I disagree with almost everything he says and find that most of his positions are indeed divorced from reality. What he does have that Inhofe, for example, lacks, is the willingness to actually follow through. Inhofe claims to be against big government but votes for pork every chance he gets. Coburn gets kudos for not being a total hypocrite, not because people agree with him.

What do you disagree with?

[erfalf]

From that right wing bastion Mother Jones:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/tom-coburn-defense-cuts

I guess I need to be more specific. Left leaning American's generally don't have a problem with most of Coburn's proposals. Left leaning politicians however...

[Townsend]

If Romney wasn't "too right" then why all the "recommendations" to more farther left (not just Romney, but they entire party)?

The recommendations you speak of.  They came from the super conservatives.  "Ignore reason and join us over here."

Who on this board hate Coburn with the veracity that they hate, say Inhofe or Fallin? Personally I think he reveres that type of respect because it is difficult to criticize his positions. They are loaded with facts and hardly anyone would oppose them. Name one politician who is more widely agreed with.

You want to compare him to Inhofe and Fallin?  That's like saying "This dark Gray card is way brighter than these two black cards."

[nathanm]

I guess I need to be more specific. Left leaning American's generally don't have a problem with most of Coburn's proposals. Left leaning politicians however...

I don't think you actually know any left leaning Americans. Let's do keep in mind we're talking about a guy who once said that doctors who perform abortions should be put to death.

[Townsend]

I guess I need to be more specific. Left leaning American's generally don't have a problem with most of Coburn's proposals.

Most left leaning Americans concern themselves with their own problem right wingers.  Most Americans don't know who Tom Coburn is.

If an acquaintance came up to you and said "Say, what's  the name of a congressman from the state of ____?"  Would you normally be able to answer them?

Most Americans can't correctly ID the states on the East coast.  They wouldn't know a congressman from a flyover.

[Teatownclown]

Technology. Dims data ability crushed the Rhinosaurs. Simple math....

micromanaging!

[erfalf]

I don't think you actually know any left leaning Americans. Let's do keep in mind we're talking about a guy who once said that doctors who perform abortions should be put to death.

Try to find something that he actually has anything to do with.

"I think people ought to have their driver's licenses suspended for not signalling" Me.

Does this really mean anything? no. But continue to focus on the mundane to try to discredit everyone who doesn't agree with you.

And by the way, here is the actual quote

"while abortion is not against the law now, if it were, states could use death penalty laws to punish the taking of innocent life."

Context is a grumble.

[erfalf]

Most left leaning Americans concern themselves with their own problem right wingers.  Most Americans don't know who Tom Coburn is.

If an acquaintance came up to you and said "Say, what's  the name of a congressman from the state of ____?"  Would you normally be able to answer them?

Most Americans can't correctly ID the states on the East coast.  They wouldn't know a congressman from a flyover.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he should run. Just someone like him, that actually does "speak truth to power". He has the amazing talent of being able to piss off those on both sides of the aisle.

When he was running for Senate the first time, I knew a girl whose father was heavy in the state Republican party. She said and I quote "we will support him, even though we can't stand him." Figured he had to be a keeper if they didn't like him (two faced political hacks they were).

[Red Arrow]

If an acquaintance came up to you and said "Say, what's  the name of a congressman from the state of ____?"  Would you normally be able to answer them?

Some names are recognizable but not always which state they come from.

Most Americans can't correctly ID the states on the East coast.  They wouldn't know a congressman from a flyover.

Most Americans probably cannot correctly ID much of any states outside their region with the exceptions of Alaska, Hawaii, Texas, California, and Florida.  Maybe for a few more months they could locate Ohio.

[Townsend]

And by the way, here is the actual quote

"while abortion is not against the law now, if it were, states could use death penalty laws to punish the taking of innocent life."

Context is a grumble.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/tom_coburn.html

Lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom. Now think about it. Think about that issue. How is it that that's happened to us?
Tom Coburn

Dammit dude, he's talking about rampant lesbianism.




RAMPANT

[Townsend]

Romney lost another fair weather:

"I'm very disappointed with Governor Romney's analysis, which I believe is insulting and profoundly wrong," he said.

Newt Gingrich

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/gingrich-calls-romneys-gift-comments-insulting/story?id=17760399#.UKq14oc0V8E