Urbanized Areas

[heironymouspasparagus]

The populated areas of OKC "feel" a lot like Tulsa when driving around there (and I drive around a LOT there and here).  The big difference is when you get to an 'edge' of town, the city limit extends another several miles - sometimes 20 or more to the east.  And a lot of that is very lightly populated....no density at all.  With Tulsa, even though there is unfilled space, there is no where near as much unfilled space as OKC. 

[Elm Creek Smith]

I remember the days before malls in Tulsa when we had movie theaters downtown and stores and restaurants. On Thursday night the stores stayed open 'til 8 PM. No one complained about walkability in those days...

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[TheArtist]

  I wonder if part of our "more urban/developed" feel is because of some areas that have more business warehouse/manufacturing structures?  I have noticed that there are large areas of Tulsa that seem rather "filled in" with lots of buildings, but have very few to no residents living in those areas.  I am sure OKC has them too, but perhaps Tulsa has more. Just a thought.  Also, sometimes it's just the way a city arranges itself development wise that can create a difference.  BA compared to Tulsa for instance.  In Tulsa there seem to be a lot more narrower roads in more of the city with development much nearer to those roads.  Where as in much of even the developed areas of BA, the buildings/stores etc. are set further back away from the roads making things feel more open and empty.

Regardless of the actual numbers, the developed areas of Tulsa "feel" more urban and dense than OKC's.

[TulsaRufnex]

Forgot about this thread.  TulsaRufnex's logic is as laughable as ever.  Posting an OKCtalker's post stating that he's glad to have another poster named Oil Capital IN Oklahoma City is somehow supposed to prove that the OKCTalk "Oil Capital" is the same person as the TulsaNow Oil Capital (me) who is in Tulsa.  Your post actually rather proves the opposite of what you are attempting to prove.   Hilarious.  

MODERATOR:   Why have the most recent responses to OC (mine and Swake's and Hoss's) been deleted?

[RecycleMichael]

I noticed that too.

If I remember them correctly, it seemed to be a bunch of snide personal comments between posters.

Good riddance if you ask me. I like that this forum is moderated.

[TulsaRufnex]

Please keep the discussion about urbanized areas, not about what someone posted on another forum in another city several years ago.  

It is in the best interest of this forum and any other to minimize personal attacks and trolling, especially in useful topics like development as it keeps posters who might become a good contributor from posting.

Admittedly, we don't as actively patrol the political forums as much as we probably should, but the moderators are afraid of what they might catch by venturing into the political sections.

In the future, if you feel the need to call out another poster, please use the private message feature of the forum.

Thank you!
Moderator

[heironymouspasparagus]

I have had some deleted, too.  Can't understand that at all...after all, I AM the voice of moderation on this place.  I bill myself as an "Extreme Moderate"....

As opposed to the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right that are both so amply represented here.

[Townsend]

I have had some deleted, too.  Can't understand that at all...after all, I AM the voice of moderation on this place.  I bill myself as an "Extreme Moderate"....

As opposed to the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right that are both so amply represented here.

Everyone thinks they're a moderate.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Everyone thinks they're a moderate.

Yeah, I notice that around here.  But the reality is that I'm the only one....it's a lonely place to be.  Like the song says, clowns to the left of me (as in TTC...?), jokers to the right....

lol...I make myself laugh...

[Oil Capital]

More info:

According to Demographia, there are 847 urbanized areas in the world with populations above 500,000.   When ranked by population density, the highest ranked US city is Los Angeles, at No. 724 (with 6,100/sq. mi).   Tulsa is no. 826 (tied with Richmond, Va, Sarasota FL, Albany, NY, and Grand Rapids MI), with 2,000/sq. mi.).   No. 847 is Knoxville, TN, with 1,300/sq. mi. http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf

Cities in our region:
Denver:                2,374,203 - 3,554.4/sq. mi
New Orleans:           899,703 - 3,578.9/sq. mi
El Paso:                   803,086 - 3,205.0/sq. mi
Houston:               4,944,332 - 2978.5/sq. mi
Colorado Springs:     559,409 - 2,978.2/sq. mi
Albuquerque:          1,362,416 - 2958.5/sq. mi
San Antonio:           1,758,210 - 2,944.6/sq. mi
Dallas-Fort Worth:   5,121,892 - 2878.9/sq. mi
Wichita:                     472,870 - 2857.4/sq. mi
Omaha:                   725,008 - 2,673.3/sq. mi
Austin:                  1,362,416 - 2604.8/sq. mi
St. Louis:              2,150,706 - 2,328.5/sq. mi
Kansas City:          1,519,417 - 2,241.6/sq. mi
Memphis:              1,060,061 - 2,131.6/sq. mi
Oklahoma City:         861,505 - 2,098.0/sq. mi
Tulsa:                       655,479 - 1951.3/sq. mi
Nashville:                 969,587 - 1,720.7/sq. mi
Little Rock:               431,388 - 1,670.0/sq. mi
Baton Rouge:            594,309 - 1,620.3/sq. mi
Birmingham:             749,495 - 1,414.4/sq. mi


US URBANIZED AREAS OVER 500,000 RANKED BY POPULATION DENSITY:

1.  Los Angeles          6,100/sq. mi.
2.  San Francisco       5,400
3.  Las Vegas            4,800
4.  Honolulu              4,700
5.  New York             4,600
6.  Miami                  4,500
7.  San Diego            4,100
8.  Fresno                 3,900
9.  Sacramento         3,800
     Salt Lake City      3,800
     Bakersfield          3,800
12. Denver               3,700
13. Portland             3,600
      New Orleans       3,600
15. Washington DC   3,500
16. Chicago              3,400
17. Phoenix              3,200
      El Paso               3,200
19. Seattle               3,100
      Baltimore           3,100
      San Antonio       3,100
22. Houston              3,000
      Albuquerque       3,000
      Colorado Springs 3,000
25. DFW                   2,900
26. Philadelphia        2,800
      Detroit               2,800
      Virginia Beach    2,800
29. Austin                2,700
     Columbus           2,700
     Omaha               2,700
32. MSP                  2,600
      Tampa              2,600
34. Orlando             2,500
      Milwaukee         2,500
      Ogden, UT        2,500
37. St. Louis           2,400
      Buffalo             2,400
      Tucson             2,400
40. Cleveland         2,300
      Kansas City      2,300
42. Boston             2,200
      Indianapolis     2,200
      Providence RI   2,200
      Memphis          2,200
      Rochester NY    2,200
47. Cincinnati         2,100
      Jacksonville      2,100
      Louisville          2,100
      Oklahoma City  2,100
      McAllen TX       2,100
      Dayton OH       2,100
      Toldeo OH        2,100
54. Richmond, VA   2,000
      Tulsa               2,000
      Sarasota FL      2,000
      Albany NY        2,000
      Grand Rapids   2,000
59. Pittsburgh        1,900
      Allentown PA    1,900
      Charleston, SC  1,900
62. Atlanta GA        1,800
      Charlotte NC     1,800
      Nashville          1,800
      Raleigh NC       1,800
      Hartford CT      1,800
      Springfield MA  1,800
      Akron OH         1,800
70. Baton Rouge     1,600
      Cape Coral FL   1,600
72. Columbia SC     1,500
73. Birmingham      1,400
74. Knoxville TN      1,300

[TulsaRufnex]

I noticed that too.

If I remember them correctly, it seemed to be a bunch of snide personal comments between posters.

Good riddance if you ask me. I like that this forum is moderated.

I don't agree with the call...

The basket should have counted.

The foul shoulda been called on the other guy.

And I should be at the free throw line to complete a three point play.

Instead, I get a technical...    

[RecycleMichael]

You were offsides

[heironymouspasparagus]

I don't see Bugtussel on that list.  Can't be legitimate.

[DTowner]

I wonder about a methodology that concludes Las Vegas is more densely populated than New York City.  I get that there's more to NYC than Manhattan, but that just doesn't sound right.  Perhaps that goes to Artist's point - some cities simply "feel" more urbanized than others in ways that population density cannot measure.

[TheArtist]

I wonder about a methodology that concludes Las Vegas is more densely populated than New York City.  I get that there's more to NYC than Manhattan, but that just doesn't sound right.  Perhaps that goes to Artist's point - some cities simply "feel" more urbanized than others in ways that population density cannot measure.

I think I heard that something like a quarter of NYC is park space, playgrounds, etc. for instance but only has a tiny amount of "vacant" land.