Looks like a new brewing company in Tulsa is in the works

[Hoss]

They are on the kiosk just to the left of the shelves with most of the other bombers.  That's one thing I do like about RA is the clerks are very well informed on product.

That they are. I like going to Collins also since its just down the road from work, but I split time between there and RA.

[TheTed]

To counter the Ranch Acres love, don't forget this quote.

Mary Stewart of Ranch Acres Wine & Spirits:
Out-of-state corporations would be big winners in a move to loosen alcohol sales, she said, and consumers would be the big losers because fewer wine and beer labels would be available in the marketplace.
"Letting those big superstores into the market is not going to help us here," she said. "The selection would diminish. The prices would certainly not go down on the bulk of things."

Yes, that must be why so many people from other states come to Oklahoma to buy beer while no one does the reverse.

Biergarten in Jenks actually supports better laws. Ranch Acres supports keeping us as the worst beer state to bolster their profits.

[DTowner]

To counter the Ranch Acres love, don't forget this quote.
Yes, that must be why so many people from other states come to Oklahoma to buy beer while no one does the reverse.

Biergarten in Jenks actually supports better laws. Ranch Acres supports keeping us as the worst beer state to bolster their profits.

To be fair, letting grocery/convenience stores sell high point beer and/or wine will seriously hurt liquor stores if nothing is changed to let liquor stores sell cold beer and mixers.  Our laws need a complete overhaul, not just one change to entice deep pocketed out-of-state interests. 

Contract brewing seems like a good way for a new brand to get its product to market and build some brand recognition before making a large capital investment.  Now if we could just change to law to allow craft distilling....

[Townsend]

To be fair, letting grocery/convenience stores sell high point beer and/or wine will seriously hurt liquor stores if nothing is changed to let liquor stores sell cold beer and mixers.  Our laws need a complete overhaul, not just one change to entice deep pocketed out-of-state interests. 

Contract brewing seems like a good way for a new brand to get its product to market and build some brand recognition before making a large capital investment.  Now if we could just change to law to allow craft distilling....

It's only been legal to homebrew in Oklahoma since 2010.  We were one of three states left.

It's going to be a while before these laws are changed.

[Red Arrow]

To be fair, letting grocery/convenience stores sell high point beer and/or wine will seriously hurt liquor stores if nothing is changed to let liquor stores sell cold beer and mixers. 

I have gotten the impression that many liquor stores don't want to make the investment in refrigeration equipment to sell cold beer.  One way to avoid that investment is to keep the laws as they are.    I agree that if grocery/convenience stores get to sell strong beer and wine that liquor stores need to be allowed to sell non-alcoholic items such as mixers.  HEB stores in Texas have a reasonable variety of beer but no where near the variety I have seen in Texas liquor stores. 

[Red Arrow]

It's only been legal to homebrew in Oklahoma since 2010.

Now it takes a license from ABLE.  It's not difficult to get one though.

[Conan71]

To be fair, letting grocery/convenience stores sell high point beer and/or wine will seriously hurt liquor stores if nothing is changed to let liquor stores sell cold beer and mixers.  Our laws need a complete overhaul, not just one change to entice deep pocketed out-of-state interests. 

Contract brewing seems like a good way for a new brand to get its product to market and build some brand recognition before making a large capital investment.  Now if we could just change to law to allow craft distilling....

I disagree that it hurts the liquor stores greatly, at least on high end or specialty items.  Here's why:

Grocers cannot afford the shelf space to carry true micro-brews- something other than Sam Adams, Boulevard, or various "micros" either being brewed or sold through AB or MillerCoors.  I really don't suspect that higher point beer in the grocery store would end up generating any more revenue than 3.2 does now. 

When I go into a grocery store in Texas, NM, or Colorado that sells wine, it's mostly all lower end product.  They cannot afford to carry $40 a bottle wine.  Yellow Tail, Barefoot, Little Penguin, Rosemont, and Black Opal are pretty much commodities and I doubt there is a lot of mark up in any of those brands.

If the trade-off was for liquor stores to sell cold beer, I suspect they might actually gain revenue by being able to finally carry higher point versions of domestic swill.

It would be a nice convenience to pick up a bottle of a pedestrian quality red or some KJ chardonnay to go with dinner while at the grocery store.  At least from my stand-point, it wouldn't end up costing the liquor store I primarily deal with even 10% of their business annually.

[zstyles]

I would think that the grocery stores and whatever else would come in to sell high point and hard stuff would employ more people that a handful of stores, also in other states the liquor stores are still doing just fine just without the monopoly...they will just have to change with the times and find new ways to market, competition will come into play and prices will go down for all of us

[carltonplace]

Now it takes a license from ABLE.  It's not difficult to get one though.

Really? I don't think anyone is aware that they need an ABLE license to make beer at home...I sure wasn't.

[Townsend]

Really? I don't think anyone is aware that they need an ABLE license to make beer at home...I sure wasn't.

Eh, I refuse to stop whale hunting.  Don't worry about the silly laws.

[Red Arrow]

Really? I don't think anyone is aware that they need an ABLE license to make beer at home...I sure wasn't.

I don't know how much effort will be expended on enforcing the law but yes, you legally need a license.

[Conan71]

I don't know how much effort will be expended on enforcing the law but yes, you legally need a license the ABLE Commission figured out another way to collect money.

[Red Arrow]

You better be sitting down for this:

There is no fee to the State.  If you know a notary who will notarize for free, it costs an envelope and a stamp.

Edit:
Add link to FOAM and link to download ABLE Homebrew License Application
http://www.alemakers.com/download.php?view.252

[DowntownDan]

I'd be fine with keeping strong beer out of grocery stores if liquor stores could sell cold beer and could stay open til midnight and be open on Sundays.  That is the worst part of it.  I also agree that strong beer in liquor stores would not devestate the liquor stores as much as expected for the reason stated above, that InBev and MillerCoors will dominate the shelf space at grocery stores and try and squeeze out microbrews.  They are already doing that in other markets.  That is why InBev and MillerCoors keep gobbling up what used to be independent brands--to make it seem as though you're getting a variety of choices when in fact your only buying from one of the two monters in the industry.

[Conan71]

You better be sitting down for this:

There is no fee to the State.  If you know a notary who will notarize for free, it costs an envelope and a stamp.

Edit:
Add link to FOAM and link to download ABLE Homebrew License Application
http://www.alemakers.com/download.php?view.252

I think I just crapped myself.