Queen Kathy - again?? JUST SAY NO!!!!

[LocalGirl]

If people truly understood how much of a force she has been in getting Lobeck/Taylor Foundation funds distributed throughout the city as well as being able to influence others to do the same, I think they would have a far better appreciation for her.

Oh, and by the way...the Lobeck/Taylors care so much about Tulsa that they sold their profitable car rental company to a privately held Missouri firm resulting in a net loss of more than 110 Tulsa jobs. What - they needed the money?

[RecycleMichael]

I think some of your dates of a sale are not accurate.

[sgrizzle]

Oh, and by the way...the Lobeck/Taylors care so much about Tulsa that they sold their profitable car rental company to a privately held Missouri firm resulting in a net loss of more than 110 Tulsa jobs. What - they needed the money?

They outright owned a car rental company?

[AquaMan]

These unimportant facts you guys refer to are getting in the way of a perfectly good partisan rant she has going. When nothing else sticks it will be noted that an Obama sign was seen in Taylor's yard.

[LocalGirl]

These unimportant facts you guys refer to are getting in the way of a perfectly good partisan rant she has going. When nothing else sticks it will be noted that an Obama sign was seen in Taylor's yard.

Oh, give me a break. The last thing I am is partisan. (I happen to have voted for Obama.) The things I have said here are true, but if you don't like my message then attack it - not me.

In 2007, Vanguard Car Rental Group Inc. was privately held and Lobeck was CEO. It is common knowledge that he was a (if not the) principal.

I (and the citizenry of Tulsa, knowingly or unknowingly) have good reasons for wanting to keep KT out of office and they have to do with HER - her actions, her tactics. Leadership means leading people and during her tenure as mayor, she demonstrated her lack of ability to work with people. Leadership does not mean just stacking the deck.

[patric]

But then again, the city used to own City Hall.
Now we rent the building it moved to, and a business partner got occupancy.

[Hoss]

Oh, give me a break. The last thing I am is partisan. (I happen to have voted for Obama.) The things I have said here are true, but if you don't like my message then attack it - not me.

In 2007, Vanguard Car Rental Group Inc. was privately held and Lobeck was CEO. It is common knowledge that he was a (if not the) principal.

I (and the citizenry of Tulsa, knowingly or unknowingly) have good reasons for wanting to keep KT out of office and they have to do with HER - her actions, her tactics. Leadership means leading people and during her tenure as mayor, she demonstrated her lack of ability to work with people. Leadership does not mean just stacking the deck.

Sounds a little like a personal vendetta to me.

[RecycleMichael]

Oh, give me a break. The last thing I am is partisan. (I happen to have voted for Obama.) The things I have said here are true, but if you don't like my message then attack it - not me.

In 2007, Vanguard Car Rental Group Inc. was privately held and Lobeck was CEO. It is common knowledge that he was a (if not the) principal.

I (and the citizenry of Tulsa, knowingly or unknowingly) have good reasons for wanting to keep KT out of office and they have to do with HER - her actions, her tactics. Leadership means leading people and during her tenure as mayor, she demonstrated her lack of ability to work with people. Leadership does not mean just stacking the deck.

Fine. I will attack your message. I think it is misguided and your facts are wrong.

Bill Lobeck bought Alamo Rental Car and National Rental Car out of bankruptcy. He moved the headquarters of his new firm to Tulsa. After they became profitable, Enterprise Rent a Car purchased them to become as big as Hertz and Avis. Dollar Thrifty was also based in Tulsa and recently was purchased by Hertz and have announced moving the Headquarters to Florida.

The Lobecks make their home in Tulsa and now gives lots of money to charity and she wants to serve as a public servant for no pay. She went to school in Oklahoma and got her law degree from OU.

Don't vote for her if you don't want to. But making up facts and then attacking her "leadership" without offering any facts seems unjustified to me. Please tell us what candidate you support so we can have the same opportunity to make up facts about them.

[Oil Capital]

Fine. I will attack your message. I think it is misguided and your facts are wrong.

Bill Lobeck bought Alamo Rental Car and National Rental Car out of bankruptcy. He moved the headquarters of his new firm to Tulsa. After they became profitable, Enterprise Rent a Car purchased them to become as big as Hertz and Avis. Dollar Thrifty was also based in Tulsa and recently was purchased by Hertz and have announced moving the Headquarters to Florida.

The Lobecks make their home in Tulsa and now gives lots of money to charity and she wants to serve as a public servant for no pay. She went to school in Oklahoma and got her law degree from OU.

Don't vote for her if you don't want to. But making up facts and then attacking her "leadership" without offering any facts seems unjustified to me. Please tell us what candidate you support so we can have the same opportunity to make up facts about them.

What in your post is an attack on LocalGirl's posts?  I'm not seeing any correction of any of LocalGirl's statements.

[AquaMan]

How do you "correct" stuff like this?

Quote from Localgirl: "I also know she was dishonest in the process of getting the project through the Council.  But, so what??"

Uh, you know she was dishonest? Sounds like opinion. Share with details or its just electioneering by an opponents supporter.

Quote from: Teatownclown on March 03, 2013, 01:55:36 pm
What did KT do wrong?

Quote from Local Girl: What (else) did she do wrong? Oh, please! How about her lies to accomplish the City Hall move? How about her refusal to attend CC meetings and make required presentations because they DARED question her? How about firing the new Parks Department head, within months of actively recruiting her, because she DARED question her (KT)?  KT thinks she's royalty, exempt from ethical standards, and she's nothing more than an empire builder!

NO - it's NOT ok to 'get things done' in a crooked way - even if some of those things may be beneficial.  (What about when they're not?)  She's shown she will do whatever is necessary to have things HER way and giving over power to someone like that is just nonsensical.

Sounds like Local Girl may have had a losing battle with KT or her administration in the past. At best, these are opinions by the supporter of another candidate. Its hard to refute such opinions because little detail is offered as evidence and they should not be confused with facts.

[RecycleMichael]

Local Girl said we lost jobs. She fails to make any mention of jobs created.

Secondly, Enterprise moved 80 jobs to St. Louis, not 110 as she claimed. The 110 number she confused with Dollar Thrifty buyout by Hertz. She was wrong with her facts.

I bet she is one of the many people supporting Christiansen who spend considerable time posting on the Tulsa World and the local TV station websites about how terrible the opponents are and their guy is the true savior of our town. If you read these, you would think that Christiansen is going to win with almost all the votes.

[LocalGirl]

...and your facts are wrong.
After they became profitable, Enterprise Rent a Car purchased them to become as big as Hertz and Avis.

Uh, yeah, that's what I thought I said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/31/business/31rental.html?_r=0:
"Last year, in a filing for a public offering, Vanguard said it earned $105.3 million in 2005 on $2.89 billion in revenue."

...and she wants to serve as a public servant for no pay.

True she takes no salary. But why don't you check her budget increases for appointed positions in the mayor's office. My GUESS is that it more than makes up for the foregone salary. (at this juncture, I wasn't able to find those numbers) At any rate, certainly her $7.1 million Great Plains settlement, had it not been reversed by the OK Supreme Court, would have.

Don't vote for her if you don't want to.

duh...

Please tell us what candidate you support so we can have the same opportunity to make up facts about them.

I'm voting for Christiansen - may not agree with him on everything but at least he's a true public servant - and a smart guy.

uh, DUH...

Sounds a little like a personal vendetta to me.

Nope, guess again. Never met the woman, never worked for her, don't travel in her circles, don't know her - except as mayor. (same for Lobeck) Just watched and listened and learned.

How do you "correct" stuff like this? Its hard to refute such opinions because little detail is offered as evidence and they should not be confused with facts.

You mean like these?

Hah!  Christiansen a nice guy?  You've obviously not dealt with him at a business level like many I know have.

Bartlet (sic) is a clueless bumpkin.

Secondly, Enterprise moved 80 jobs to St. Louis, not 110 as she claimed. The 110 number she confused with Dollar Thrifty buyout by Hertz. She was wrong with her facts.

No, I think you need to check your facts.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Vanguard_transfers_30_employees_to_St_Louis/20080222_5_E1_spanc86254:
"When the merger was announced last March, Vanguard had 10,000 employees, 659 of them in Tulsa."
"Over the past year, contrary to the expectations of company executives, the merger has resulted in a 17.4 percent decrease in Vanguard jobs in Tulsa."

last time I checked, 659 X .174 = 114.67 > 110

I bet she is one of the many people supporting Christiansen who spend considerable time posting on the Tulsa World and the local TV station websites about how terrible the opponents are and their guy is the true savior of our town.

Yes, I support Christiansen (and I said so at the outset.) No, I have not posted on ANY other sites. Yes, I have formulated OPINIONS about KT, as mayor, from listening, watching, and research. No, I cannot PROVE what was in KT's mind when she fired Nancy Atwater (not a friend, not a colleague) only months after actively recruiting her. I did inquire at the time and I did reach a conclusion based on the information I found and what I observed. I guess, since it's not written somewhere, I have no business reaching a considered opinion. No matter that I witnessed KT's behavior with the council, including her refusal to attend their meetings, with my own eyes on local news stories and on TGOV.

What's with you guys anyway? I have to be either a mindless zealot or full of sour grapes? Honestly, I just think that Tulsa rarely has the opportunity to elect a true public servant and I believe, based on his Council record, that BC is one. (again, not a friend, not a colleague) And, Yes, I'm passionate about local politics...ok, maybe even hyper-passionate.

You, and even I, may not like her methods, but I liked that she got things done.

I guess the bottom line with some of you is that leadership with integrity is too unreasonable a standard. I disagree.


Oh, and just for the record, Conan (above), I agree with you completely - even without detailed documentation.

[AquaMan]

I'm going with "mindless zealot" Alex for $50 please.

"Yes, it's my opinion...but its also very true".

[RecycleMichael]

"When the merger was announced last March, Vanguard had 10,000 employees, 659 of them in Tulsa."
"Over the past year, contrary to the expectations of company executives, the merger has resulted in a 17.4 percent decrease in Vanguard jobs in Tulsa."

No, I cannot PROVE what was in KT's mind when she fired Nancy Atwater (not a friend, not a colleague) only months after actively recruiting her.

I guess he must have been a bastard to create hundreds of jobs. The fact that many still remain must be proof to you that he should be attacked on a public forum. Take a drink of reality sometime.

Oh, a person was hired and then it didn't work out...get the pitchforks and torches out! The facts is that every Mayor (and Governor and President) routinely replace department heads. There has been a different Park Director under each of the last four Mayors. There has been a different City Attorney, different Fire Chief and Police Chief, a different head of Engineering, etc. under almost every one of the last six Mayors.

For you to try and bring up some obscure person (not a colleague, not a friend, my a$$) who was fired years ago shows how little it takes for you to make up outrage for political purposes.

[RecycleMichael]

And local girl...

I agree with you about Bill Christiansen being smart and a good public servant. I have spoken to him often (including three days ago) and he is always very nice to me. My parents adore him and loved him as a Councilor and he was the only City Councilor who ever really asked me questions about recycling and actively tried to help me.