Puppet War in Syria

[Townsend]

Sending in missiles and drones which might kill more innocent civilians on top of those already killed or maimed by chemical weapons doesn't sound like a very good solution, now does it?

That apparently is what the Admin is mulling right now.

Some form of that is mulled by every admin any time this sort of thing is happening isn't it?

I'm not sure of an administration that hasn't at least mulled it within the last 100 years.

[Conan71]

Some form of that is mulled by every admin any time this sort of thing is happening isn't it?

I'm not sure of an administration that hasn't at least mulled it within the last 100 years.

It's time to quit injecting ourselves into every other country's business as the primary global cop.  Hell, it's been time to quit being the global cop 50 years ago.  Let someone else take the lead.  Did we still not learn this lesson after Bush II?

[Townsend]

It's time to quit injecting ourselves into every other country's business as the primary global cop.  Hell, it's been time to quit being the global cop 50 years ago.  Let someone else take the lead.  Did we still not learn this lesson after Bush II?

The folks in charge aren't going to leave their interests in the hands of someone else.  These are their defense contract opportunities.  You think they want to lose them to things like the Eurofighter?

[Gaspar]

For a guy who says he can't predict the future, Mr. Gas seems quite willing to do so. As well as recreate the past.

We've learned some from the past yet political hatred for "liberals" and Obama particularly keeps some from ever learning.

I support some kind of intervention now.

Hey, just checking the temperature. 

Let's see how the liberal logic works, it goes something like this:

In 1998 Bill Clinton signs the Iraq Liberation Act, and lobs hundreds of cruise missiles into Iraq for 4 days straight killing thousands, and is unsuccessful at diverting attention from Monica. He claims that Iraq has used chemical and/or biological weapons.  Says we must destroy their WMDs.= GOOD

Bush continues the war, gets approval from congress, but follows up with what ends up being a 10 year + engagement.  Tries to find the WMDs that the Clinton administration claimed to have knowledge of, but is unsuccessful.  = BAD  Clinton Bush lied about WMDs. Unfunded!!  People died!

President Obama may take the same action as Clinton (except from the golf course at MV) = Good!  Get rid of those WMD!  Free Syria!  Fainting!  Tingle up legs! OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA!


Did I get it all?

[Hoss]

It's time to quit injecting ourselves into every other country's business as the primary global cop.  Hell, it's been time to quit being the global cop 50 years ago.  Let someone else take the lead.  Did we still not learn this lesson after Bush II?

I was talking about this with my mother yesterday; I said we should just get out and let them sort it out themselves.  My mother reminded me that as long as that runny black liquid is prevalent in the region, that will likely NEVER happen.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you, but as a cynic, I don't see us ever refraining from this where oil is even remotely concerned.  And it is here.

Another reason to break the dependence on not just foreign oil, but oil in general.  I'm afraid, though, that will never happen in my lifetime.

[Townsend]

I'm afraid, though, that will never happen in my lifetime.

Nope.  Because the "they" will kill you before they let that happen.

[Red Arrow]

What does intervening in Syria do for us?  I don't see much of anything positive.  WMDs?  We had "proof" of WMDs in Iraq.  Which side should we be on?  The present regime or the Al Queda? (sp?).  I see it as more of a no-win situation than Iraq.  I also don't believe we will ever learn, regardless of which party is in power, that little steps (advisors in Viet Nam, no-fly zones in many places.... eventually lead to American GIs getting killed.  There needs to be a good reason.  To me, Syria has not proven to be a good reason.

[Gaspar]

What does intervening in Syria do for us?  I don't see much of anything positive.  WMDs?  We had "proof" of WMDs in Iraq.  Which side should we be on?  The present regime or the Al Queda? (sp?).  I see it as more of a no-win situation than Iraq.  I also don't believe we will ever learn, regardless of which party is in power, that little steps (advisors in Viet Nam, no-fly zones in many places.... eventually lead to American GIs getting killed.  There needs to be a good reason.  To me, Syria has not proven to be a good reason.

I see a good reason to cut our dependence on foreign energy!  We suck as world cop, and the only reason we do it is because of our dependence.  We have plenty of energy right here at home.  Now is probably a good time to step away from a part of the world that desires to implode under its own political/religious differences.  It's sad that these people want to kill each other, and we should condemn such acts, and suspend our interests (through boycott) in countries that commit atrocities, but we should not involve ourselves militarily, because it never leads to a positive outcome.  Can't think of a single example.  

With one hand we shake our finger, but with the other we write a check.  Let the Middle East become someone else's pet.

[Hoss]

I see a good reason to cut our dependence on foreign energy!  We suck as world cop, and the only reason we do it is because of our dependence.  We have plenty of energy right here at home.  Now is probably a good time to step away from a part of the world that desires to implode under its own political/religious differences.  It's sad that these people want to kill each other, and we should condemn such acts, and suspend our interests (through boycott) in countries that commit atrocities, but we should not involve ourselves militarily, because it never leads to a positive outcome.  Can't think of a single example.  

With one hand we shake our finger, but with the other we write a check.  Let the Middle East become someone else's pet.

Until the politicians get out of the big oil lobby's pocket, "good luck with that."

[Gaspar]

MSNBC shifts coverage from Miley Cyrus to mundane international coverage. Looks like we may be scheduling our strikes for Thursday according to the official White House news channel.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

Russia is evacuating their personnel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10268547/Syria-Russia-evacuates-citizens-ahead-of-military-strikes-in-the-next-few-days.html

Iran says they will strike Isreal if we attack. Will we fight on two fronts?
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920604000513

Anti-war protests begin in Washington.

[guido911]

"No blood for oil!" 
"Obama lied, people died!"

Nope. I support Obama's approach to this, and will back him. WMD is an absolute game changer.

[guido911]

I've not started my happy cocktailing.

This frightens me.

[Conan71]

MSNBC shifts coverage from Miley Cyrus to mundane international coverage. Looks like we may be scheduling our strikes for Thursday according to the official White House news channel.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

Russia is evacuating their personnel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10268547/Syria-Russia-evacuates-citizens-ahead-of-military-strikes-in-the-next-few-days.html

Iran says they will strike Isreal if we attack. Will we fight on two fronts?
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920604000513

Anti-war protests begin in Washington.

Glad we gave the insurgents proper warning to get out of the way so they can substitute in some innocent women and children.

[Gaspar]

Glad we gave the insurgents proper warning to get out of the way so they can substitute in some innocent women and children.

And not end plan.

Here's the scenario:
1. Establish that there is no imminent threat to US interests.
2. Telegraph your intensions so that personnel, aircraft, and weaponry can be moved to safety, and facilities can be converted to aspirin and baby food factories, schools & hospitals.
3. Provide no goal. As Carney said "we are not seeking regime change." We've just got to save face politically because our careless words have to match our careless acts.
4. Do not involve Congress. "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," Former Liberal, Constitutional Scholar, and Senator Obama in 2008.


I wonder if VP Biden will move to impeach President Obama?

"I want to make it clear to you," Biden said speaking at a campaign event in Davenport, Iowa in December 2007. "I've drafted, with the help of 17 years I was the chairman of the Judiciary Committee or the ranking member. Ladies and gentlemen, I drafted and outline of what I think the constitutional limits have on the president in over the war clause. I went to five leading scholars, constitutional scholars, and they drafted a treatise for me, and it's being distributed to every senator. And I want to make it clear and I made it clear to the president, if he takes this nation to war in Iran, without congressional approval — I will make it my business to impeach him." Then the senator made a joke about "Davenport" being the place where his grandma's sofa was made, and giggled uncontrollably.

[Cats Cats Cats]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-syria-045648224.html

This is from January 30th.

The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.

A new report, that contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence, showed a scheme 'approved by Washington'.

As per the scheme 'Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons,' the Daily Mail reports.

Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumes and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.

According to the paper, the U.S. State Department has declined to comment on the matter.