Puppet War in Syria

[AquaMan]

Haven't read or looked at your posts in quite some time. Looks like you're not making much progress. In fact, slipping into comic book territory.

But, let me ask you about something you are more grounded in. Bought some 'q sauce at Reasors a while back called "Sa...Mokin', with the  image of a pig on the front (yeah, how unique). It was really great sauce. Of course Reasors stopped carrying it. Are you familiar with it and where I might find more?

[Gaspar]

Haven't read or looked at your posts in quite some time. Looks like you're not making much progress. In fact, slipping into comic book territory.

But, let me ask you about something you are more grounded in. Bought some 'q sauce at Reasors a while back called "Sa...Mokin', with the  image of a pig on the front (yeah, how unique). It was really great sauce. Of course Reasors stopped carrying it. Are you familiar with it and where I might find more?

You are probably right. I'm sure we share the same opinion that there is no real justification for US action, but since President Obama wants it, he should by all means have it, because after all, it will create jobs, and I'm sure he will find a way to fund it through Obamacare!  Lets just support our president and hope for few casualties.  

The good news is that President Obama may have finally found a way to unite the parties in a new spirit of cooperation. . .against him!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/30/syria-strike-chemical-weapons_n_3844469.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

Sa. . .Mokin' is a local team.  I think Food Pyramid has it.

[Gaspar]

Nice one by Kos.  That about sums it up:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/30/1234643/-Fireagra-for-foreign-policy-impotence?detail=hide#

. . .and the New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/08/obama-promises-syria-strike-will-have-no-objective.html?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=twitter

. . .and the president has indeed found a way to finance this war:
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/08/u-s-selling-cluster-bombs-worth-641-million-to-saudi-arabia/

[guido911]

Makes me think of the mileage the lefty pussifists got out of the Rumsfeld-Saddam photo. That said, I am even more supportive of Obama on the Syrian intervention policy after hearing Kerry.

[Red Arrow]

I guess Syrian civilians are more valuable to the world than Iraqi civilians.

I also guess that I don't care too much if the Syrian government kills a bunch of Islamic militants.

[Gaspar]

Makes me think of the mileage the lefty pussifists got out of the Rumsfeld-Saddam photo. That said, I am even more supportive of Obama on the Syrian intervention policy after hearing Kerry.

The Obama Doctrine seems very different than the Bush Doctrine, in that the requirements for international support differ.  Bush had over 50 countries backing action against Sadam. Obama only seems to be able to garner the support of the French, and no domestic support. Congress, the people, the typically friendly Obama media machine, no one seems to want a dog in this fight except for the supreme leader, and he is willing to commit the devastating destructive force of our military to a political end.

[guido911]

The Obama Doctrine seems very different than the Bush Doctrine, in that the requirements for international support differ.  Bush had over 50 countries backing action against Sadam. Obama only seems to be able to garner the support of the French, and no domestic support. Congress, the people, the typically friendly Obama media machine, no one seems to want a dog in this fight except for the supreme leader, and he is willing to commit the devastating destructive force of our military to a political end.

Don't you mean Obama's military?


http://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/obama-the-dictator-my-military/

[Red Arrow]

Obama only seems to be able to garner the support of the French, and no domestic support.

If the French are so offended, let them take care of "the situation".   I am tired of the world saying they are "so offended" and then depending on the USA to take care of the situation.  Sh!t or get off the pot.

[nathanm]

It amazes me that some people can't see a difference between a country that had used WMDs over a decade prior and had been supervised destroying them and another that (probably) is using them as we speak.

Not that I support unilateral intervention. Or even going in with a coalition, unless said coalition is under the auspices of the UN and we do not make up the bulk of the force. The fact that there's a difference doesn't justify us just doing whatever the love we want to whoever the love we want.

[guido911]

It amazes me ...

Doesn't take much...

[Red Arrow]

It amazes me that some people can't see a difference between a country that had used WMDs over a decade prior and had been supervised destroying them and another that (probably) is using them as we speak.

What is the statute of limitations for using chemical weapons?

Whether those items were destroyed or moved (to Syria?) depends on who you listen to.

[AquaMan]

So, the leading country in the free world, wrapped in moralism and chauvinism, should just stand by and watch as innocents are gassed along with militants because we're weary, economically recovering, politically at odds with each other, distrustful of our government, dependent on middle east resources and convinced the middle east deserves to suffer in a sickness of their own making. That's what I draw from this conversation no matter how artfully, hatefully and contorted the remarks.

We did that during the build-up to WWII. Mired in depression, mistrust of our government and foreign entanglements, isolationism and lethargy, we ignored the genocide and destruction that was ravaging Europe and Asia. Lots of countries did. We even turned our eyes away from a strong ally, Britain. Of course at the time we used the same logic displayed here. Those were Jews after all, not Christians, and atrocities in Asia were rooted in long histories we couldn't even fathom. Let them solve their disputes without our involvement.

Really, I expected more than that. Even though Guido obviously hates Obama and anything or anyone related, he can see through that animosity to the issues of humanity involved. We can't just stand by and watch.

[guido911]

^^^^  Hate is a bit strong as to my feelings about Obama, as I have frequently said the guy has a terrific sense of humor and comedic timing. But aquaman is right, although I would not draw the WWII parallel necessarily. And Obama is right. And Kerry is right. And the "right", like those that rallied in Tulsa with DelGiorno near LaFortune Park (like me-but I was never a fan of his) in the lead up to the Iraq war, there is no excuse other than politics to at least not back the president who is obviously making a very tough call. And this attack, as opposed to the bin Laden raid, IS a tough call. And let's not forget that there will be soldiers and sailors in harm's way, and they and their mission must be supported and honored.

Still, this will not stop me from making observations about the left's hypocrisy on this decision. Here is today's giggle:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/30/pelosi-we-have-to-bomb-syria-to-find-out-whats-in-it/

[AquaMan]

That's why I respect you and your views even though I find them objectionable and often unsupportable. Like the link you provided. The headline has nothing to do with the story or Pelosi's remarks. But the website knows its the headline that will get passed around.

[guido911]

That's why I respect you and your views even though I find them objectionable and often unsupportable. Like the link you provided. The headline has nothing to do with the story or Pelosi's remarks. But the website knows its the headline that will get passed around.

That writing style is Jim Treacher's blogging schtick.  I am a bit pissed about Obama's very recent (apparent) caving to bullcrap Congressional whining on this. I will respect the guy even more if he sticks to his principles and not waiver. DO IT NOW, and do it decisively.  I think the country would rally behind Obama if he did.