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Started by Ed W, August 22, 2013, 05:12:34 PM

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Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on August 27, 2013, 04:09:34 PM
Come on guys, everyone knows that Obamacare is Bush's fault.  Duh!

Not quite.  It's Romney's

:o

Ed W

Quote from: swake on August 27, 2013, 04:00:49 PM
How about giving Senators votes proportional to the population of their states. There is no way the founders envisioned one state having 70 times the population of another state.

You do know that the House is apportioned by population, don't you? The Senate is intended to be a more deliberative body.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

swake

Quote from: Ed W on August 27, 2013, 04:16:25 PM
You do know that the House is apportioned by population, don't you? The Senate is intended to be a more deliberative body.

I do, I was tossing out a ridiculous idea that Guido wouldn't like to counter his ridiculous idea of 60% of the states overruling the Supreme Court.

Ed W

Quote from: swake on August 27, 2013, 04:49:43 PM
I do, I was tossing out a ridiculous idea that Guido wouldn't like to counter his ridiculous idea of 60% of the states overruling the Supreme Court.

I'm tone deaf to humor and sarcasm today. It's been a rough one.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

JCnOwasso

Quote from: guido911 on August 23, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
since when do people enjoy having nine, unelected, politically-appointed justices deciding what is lawful, or being their being the final word? Or, having one federal judge overturning the vote of the citizenry of an entire state? It is a checks and balances argument, which I would think would appeal to everyone (I know, except you). 

Unelected, meaning they are not encumbered by the desire to make decisions based upon the political and moral swings of the majority.  Politically appointed?  Absolutely, but I guess you have forgot that they are also confirmed by the Senate, meaning that every states interests are represented.  And I will tell you "since when do people enjoy having..."; every person who has been in the minority and has had the supreme court rule that there rights have been violated.  The SCOTUS is the one branch of Government who is actually considering the people involved and not whether or not they will be re-elected.... see the federalist papers #78 (for ease, see below

QuoteThat inflexible and uniform adherence to the rights of the Constitution, and of individuals, which we perceive to be indispensable in the courts of justice, can certainly not be expected from judges who hold their offices by a temporary commission. Periodical appointments, however regulated, or by whomsoever made, would, in some way or other, be fatal to their necessary independence. If the power of making them was committed either to the Executive or legislature, there would be danger of an improper complaisance to the branch which possessed it; if to both, there would be an unwillingness to hazard the displeasure of either; if to the people, or to persons chosen by them for the special purpose, there would be too great a disposition to consult popularity, to justify a reliance that nothing would be consulted but the Constitution and the laws.

There is yet a further and a weightier reason for the permanency of the judicial offices, which is deducible from the nature of the qualifications they require. It has been frequently remarked, with great propriety, that a voluminous code of laws is one of the inconveniences necessarily connected with the advantages of a free government. To avoid an arbitrary discretion in the courts, it is indispensable that they should be bound down by strict rules and precedents, which serve to define and point out their duty in every particular case that comes before them; and it will readily be conceived from the variety of controversies which grow out of the folly and wickedness of mankind, that the records of those precedents must unavoidably swell to a very considerable bulk, and must demand long and laborious study to acquire a competent knowledge of them. Hence it is, that there can be but few men in the society who will have sufficient skill in the laws to qualify them for the stations of judges. And making the proper deductions for the ordinary depravity of human nature, the number must be still smaller of those who unite the requisite integrity with the requisite knowledge. These considerations apprise us, that the government can have no great option between fit character; and that a temporary duration in office, which would naturally discourage such characters from quitting a lucrative line of practice to accept a seat on the bench, would have a tendency to throw the administration of justice into hands less able, and less well qualified, to conduct it with utility and dignity. In the present circumstances of this country, and in those in which it is likely to be for a long time to come, the disadvantages on this score would be greater than they may at first sight appear; but it must be confessed, that they are far inferior to those which present themselves under the other aspects of the subject.
 

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: guido911 on August 22, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
Um, if you haven't heard, Mark Levin has a book out which speaks to this issue. It's kinda in the news now nationally. Some of the issues that are the subject of the convention are term limits for House of Rep members, repealing the 17th Amendment, something like 60% majority of Congress/state legislatures overriding majority Supreme Court opinions...I happen to find those thought-provoking concepts, with the goal being a restoration of federalism.

Out of the closet, now, huh?  Referencing Mark Levin...?  Well, we new you had that particular inclination, but to come out and admit it??  In public..!!!???


Remember, this is the guy that ranted just last week that the Constitution doesn't say anything about the right to vote.  And yes, for some reason, he phrased it that way.  And then went on to say that nobody in the US has the inherent right to vote.  Which is patently, obviously wrong....at the very least, women have a defined right to vote from the 19th amendment.  Actually, what it does mean is that if anyone has the right to vote, women and African Americans also must have the right to vote.  Well, until year 2000 anyway....

And all his sychophants just eat that stuff up!  (Yeah, I know one of those words is misspelled - was that a great play on the word, or what...sometimes it just all comes together.)

The Constitution actually does say that the People are the voters to elect the representatives and electors, and also defines that the states are required to create laws that make voters, so I submit the right to vote is conferred in the Constitution.  It just doesn't define who gets defined as getting that right.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

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