Hill Across from OSU Tulsa

[Hoss]

Since TCC offers virtually every freshman/sophomore course OSU does, it seems to be accurate to what I said.

People won't enroll at OSU and live on campus if half their classes have to be taken elsewhere.

You better cite your source, Scott.   

[TulsaRufnex]

They don't have to put up a better sign. Their fans will claim their sign is better, larger and more successful regardless of fact.

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[Oil Capital]

Since TCC offers virtually every freshman/sophomore course OSU does, it seems to be accurate to what I said.

LOL   Like I said, you overstated it. . .  in two ways:  (1)  There is no flat ban on OSU offering lower level courses at OSU-Tulsa.  They are only prohibited from duplicating courses offered by TCC.  Even if, as you claim, virtually every freshman/sophomore course offered by OSU is also offered by TCC, that acknowledges that the duplication is not total.  (2) The law has no effect on any other university in the state of Oklahoma.

The law indeed probably has the effect on OSU that you claim and probably roughly the same effect on OSU as if the law were written as you claimed.   Just trying to keep things fact-based and avoid the perpetuation of falsehoods.

[TulsaRufnex]

^^Splitting hairs.^^

[SXSW]

Can't find the reference but state universities are not allowed to offer freshman/sophomore courses in areas serviced by a public community college.

In that case it would make more sense to have OSU and TCC co-located at the Boston campus for undergraduate classes, and then focus the Greenwood campus as more for graduate and doctoral level classes and especially research activities for the entire OSU system.  That would benefit both institutions.

For example, you are a business major enrolled at OSU.  You take a couple OSU business courses but most are 1000-level TCC courses, and all are at 9th & Boston (which would have to grow).  As you get further into your degree more of your courses would be OSU and not TCC, or you could just get your associates degree.  If you finish your 4 year business degree then you would have the option of continuing grad studies at the Greenwood campus.

[Conan71]

In that case it would make more sense to have OSU and TCC co-located at the Boston campus for undergraduate classes, and then focus the Greenwood campus as more for graduate and doctoral level classes and especially research activities for the entire OSU system.  That would benefit both institutions.

For example, you are a business major enrolled at OSU.  You take a couple OSU business courses but most are 1000-level TCC courses, and all are at 9th & Boston (which would have to grow).  As you get further into your degree more of your courses would be OSU and not TCC, or you could just get your associates degree.  If you finish your 4 year business degree then you would have the option of continuing grad studies at the Greenwood campus.

Funny, I wrote a very detailed paper on this in 1986 when I was a student at TCC and OSU Tulsa was UCAT.  Obviously, it never made it up the chain to anyone at the board of regents.

[Weatherdemon]

Funny, I wrote a very detailed paper on this in 1986 when I was a student at TCC and OSU Tulsa was UCAT.  Obviously, it never made it up the chain to anyone at the board of regents.

The state board regents have also stopped allowing TCC grads in an OSU transfer program from having that put on their degree. They may not even be able to call it that any more.
It was a nice program. You choose it at TCC, OSU has already provided the classes they require for transfer to their program, and it's all done in one shot with no questions or multiple calls/visits to OSU.

[SXSW]

Growing the two state universities and working with the local state legislators to remove any stupid barriers should be higher on the priority list for our mayor and council.  In fact it should be the top priority.

[godboko71]

Considering they are so close together and you can be concurrently enrolled why would we want OSU Tulsa to offer duplicate courses?

The real issue for OSU Tulsa is well OSU, they don't want to expand their offerings in Tulsa because it would erode stillwater enrollment.

[SXSW]

Considering they are so close together and you can be concurrently enrolled why would we want OSU Tulsa to offer duplicate courses?

The real issue for OSU Tulsa is well OSU, they don't want to expand their offerings in Tulsa because it would erode stillwater enrollment.

Which is ridiculous.  Many other states have successful flagship universities as well as independent, counterpart urban universities.  All of the surrounding states do.  I see OU growing its midtown campus and wish they were downtown, since OSU has been a major disappointment.  Not to mention their lack of support for the OSU Med Center which has been on the verge of bankruptcy.  Meanwhile OU Med Center in OKC is a major economic engine and growing fast.

[godboko71]

OU Med has the added benefit of federal money for the veterans hospital/research facility and state money. Not that OSU could not work out better partnerships with other local hospitals & colleges to offer a more robust and potentially profitable enterprise.

[carltonplace]

At some point in the future we will wish that the OSU Tulsa campus was more dense and less suburban-in-urbia feeling.

Do they own all of the empty space around them or just have "dibs" on it?

[rdj]

It is held in trust for University Center at Tulsa aka UCAT.

Has anyone seen renderings of the modifications they are making to the hill?

[Jeff P]

Which is ridiculous.  Many other states have successful flagship universities as well as independent, counterpart urban universities.  All of the surrounding states do.  I see OU growing its midtown campus and wish they were downtown, since OSU has been a major disappointment.  Not to mention their lack of support for the OSU Med Center which has been on the verge of bankruptcy.  Meanwhile OU Med Center in OKC is a major economic engine and growing fast.

Maybe I'm not understanding the complaint here, but this seems like a bit of an apples/oranges comparison.

The OU midtown campus is pretty narrowly focused on public health. It offers 7 undergraduate degrees, 14 graduate degrees and 7 doctoral degrees on site. And again, they are pretty narrowly focused on public health-related degrees.

The OSU-Tulsa campus offers 23 bachelor's degrees, 22 graduate degrees and 9 doctoral degrees.  And the choices are pretty broad, from management to engineering to communication to environmental sciences.

OU doesn't offer anything like that in OKC or Tulsa.

[SXSW]

I don't care if it's OU or OSU, and I support OSU since they are already downtown.  I just frustrates me to see OSU move so slowly with growing the Tulsa campus, and still require students go to Stillwater to complete most programs.  OSU should build up Tulsa as not only an urban campus but a center for research and health sciences (OSU Med Center).  OU should do the same at 41st & Yale.  Tulsa needs these public universities to grow and thrive.