Margaritaville

[carltonplace]

The picture in the TW shows the bike trail along the river bank and elevated on bridges in places.

[SXSW]

Per the TW, the south part of the new trail will be complete "in 2015" and the north part (including a new bridge over Fred Creek) complete "after 2015".  Hopefully that is 2016, which is when the entire project should be complete.  And hopefully it is a dual-use trail split for bikes and joggers. 

[sgrizzle]

Per the TW, the south part of the new trail will be complete "in 2015" and the north part (including a new bridge over Fred Creek) complete "after 2015".  Hopefully that is 2016, which is when the entire project should be complete.  And hopefully it is a dual-use trail split for bikes and joggers. 

A not physically split trail is fine if it's wide enough.

[SXSW]

A not physically split trail is fine if it's wide enough.

It's fine in areas that are not very busy i.e the west bank trail by Turkey Mtn.  But the east bank trail should be dual lane all the way from 11th to the Jenks bridge, especially if they are rebuilding it anyway why not match what has already been built north of 71st.  Eventually the non-Creek sections would be updated between 71st and Joe Creek and south of the casino to 96th.  That way you have a continous separated bike and jogging path with zero intersections the entire length, which is sonething few cities have in such a prime location.

[sgrizzle]

It's fine in areas that are not very busy i.e the west bank trail by Turkey Mtn.  But the east bank trail should be dual lane all the way from 11th to the Jenks bridge, especially if they are rebuilding it anyway why not match what has already been built north of 71st.  Eventually the non-Creek sections would be updated between 71st and Joe Creek and south of the casino to 96th.  That way you have a continous separated bike and jogging path with zero intersections the entire length, which is sonething few cities have in such a prime location.

My point is that they don't have to be physical separated. A striped dual trail 12 ft wide is just as usable as two 4ft trails separated.

[Conan71]

My point is that they don't have to be physical separated. A striped dual trail 12 ft wide is just as usable as two 4ft trails separated.

Somehow a grass median seems to act as a more noticeable boundary for neglectful parents with their nose buried in their phone than a line on asphalt does.  Not much better, but it does seem to help.

[carltonplace]

Somehow a grass median seems to act as a more noticeable boundary for neglectful parents with their nose buried in their phone than a line on asphalt does.  Not much better, but it does seem to help.

Everyone needs to be on alert at the pedestrian bridge and between the 21st Street bridge and Elwood's. I'm always amazed when I see the oblivious gaggle of zombies causing a pile up in these areas. One day I witnessed a biker take a fall because he could not escape a wild toddler on the loose whose mother was nose in phone.

[Ibanez]

Everyone needs to be on alert at the pedestrian bridge and between the 21st Street bridge and Elwood's. I'm always amazed when I see the oblivious gaggle of zombies causing a pile up in these areas. One day I witnessed a biker take a fall because he could not escape a wild toddler on the loose whose mother was nose in phone.

It wasn't on the trails/in the parks, but I had a woman jump all over me in the grocery section of the 101st & Memorial Target last week after her out of control daughter, 4 maybe 5 years old, ran out from an aisle and right into the side of my shopping cart. The kid fell down, started crying and about 15 seconds later here came her "concerned mother" iPhone still in hand. Somehow that was my fault and the woman began screaming at me. I simply told her what happened and tried to move on and she refused to believe it and kept up with her crazed rant while following me. It wasn't until another woman told her that she had seen what happened and it wasn't my fault that she began to calm down a bit.

The best part is that after she finally scoops up her daughter, screaming at me was more important, another of her kids, this one a boy, comes running up with a pair of Batman pajama bottoms he wants. I would guess the boy was 8 or 9, far too young to be wandering Target alone.

Mother of the year material right there...

Sorry for the thread hijack.

[Conan71]

It wasn't on the trails/in the parks, but I had a woman jump all over me in the grocery section of the 101st & Memorial Target last week after her out of control daughter, 4 maybe 5 years old, ran out from an aisle and right into the side of my shopping cart. The kid fell down, started crying and about 15 seconds later here came her "concerned mother" iPhone still in hand. Somehow that was my fault and the woman began screaming at me. I simply told her what happened and tried to move on and she refused to believe it and kept up with her crazed rant while following me. It wasn't until another woman told her that she had seen what happened and it wasn't my fault that she began to calm down a bit.

The best part is that after she finally scoops up her daughter, screaming at me was more important, another of her kids, this one a boy, comes running up with a pair of Batman pajama bottoms he wants. I would guess the boy was 8 or 9, far too young to be wandering Target alone.

Mother of the year material right there...

Sorry for the thread hijack.

Great example, Mom!  She acts like a jackass to a complete stranger in front of her kids.  How much you want to bet she can't figure out why her kids act like wild banshees?

[Vision 2025]

For those who like to speculate a little real information never hurts.

The Creek Nation has been and continues to be committed to the trail relocation and improvement (so much so, that the lights which match the new River Parks 'standard' were purchased some time ago and have been in storage for a couple of years) that it was one of the significant points Chief Tiger made to the 600+ at the Ground Breaking ceremony a couple of weeks ago.

From the trail plan previously approved by the Creek Nation (now a bit superseded in detail, but the intent remains) by Land Plan; the trail improvements include a single 20' trail behind the Hotel, Margaritaville, Pool area, Land Shark Landing, and Show Room Theater (but if there is room we may be able to squeeze in dual 10's for a portion as the design finalizes in the very near future).  Overall the trail is planned to essentially match the River Parks standard with dual trails where possible.  

Be patient it will happen and I predict well received (ok by most around here anyway).

Kirby

Ps.  Also thhought about recomending thermal striping on the dual trail vs paint, as it is raised a bit which might be more of a lane wonder deterrent than paint, any thoughts from you trail users?

[Townsend]

For those who like to speculate a little real information never hurts.

The Creek Nation has been and continues to be committed to the trail relocation and improvement (so much so, that the lights which match the new River Parks 'standard' were purchased some time ago and have been in storage for a couple of years) that it was one of the significant points Chief Tiger made to the 600+ at the Ground Breaking ceremony a couple of weeks ago.

From the trail plan previously approved by the Creek Nation (now a bit superseded in detail, but the intent remains) by Land Plan; the trail improvements include a single 20' trail behind the Hotel, Margaritaville, Pool area, Land Shark Landing, and Show Room Theater (but if there is room we may be able to squeeze in dual 10's for a portion as the design finalizes in the very near future).  Overall the trail is planned to essentially match the River Parks standard with dual trails where possible.  

Be patient it will happen and I predict well received (ok by most around here anyway).

Kirby

Ps.  Also thhought about recomending thermal striping on the dual trail vs paint, as it is raised a bit which might be more of a lane wonder deterrent than paint, any thoughts from you trail users?

Thanks for the information.  Post more often.

Candy-gram

[carltonplace]

Ps.  Also thhought about recomending thermal striping on the dual trail vs paint, as it is raised a bit which might be more of a lane wonder deterrent than paint, any thoughts from you trail users?

Speaking as a frequent user: I don't think we need it; when I see lane wander it is mostly to avoid congestion. I rarely see trail users that don't understand the bike versus pedestrian lanes (though people on small wheels (skates/skateboards/inline) use both lanes with equal regularity).

[dsjeffries]

Also thhought about recomending thermal striping on the dual trail vs paint, as it is raised a bit which might be more of a lane wonder deterrent than paint, any thoughts from you trail users?

I think it would be a good idea. I also think it would be wise to change the paint color from brown to something more visible. The brown is hard to see against the asphalt. I think a lot of confusion stems from that alone. And rollerbladers never seem to know which side to be on. "I'm a person, but I'm wearing wheels! Ah!"

Regardless of whether there are dual trails or a single trail, anything will be better than the current trail placement. I'm surprised more people haven't been injured by excited casino patrons.

[SXSW]

Great to hear those details.  Hope they decide to do two 10 foot wide separated lanes where they can though having some areas 20' single is fine (like at the new bridge).  Do you know what kind of interaction this trail will have with the casino/new development?  Access to the riverfront restaurant from the trail would be nice.

[swake]

Do you know what kind of interaction this trail will have with the casino/new development?  Access to the riverfront restaurant from the trail would be nice.

He's the project manager for the construction project, so he should know.