Ukraine

[guido911]

Bush screwed it up so many ways before the disaster happened, then was criticized heavily for a lack of action or empathy afterward, that I believe the criticism was justified.

Swap Obama's name for Bush and the context, and you have the ongoing immigration disaster. 

[guido911]

I think the best thing Obama could have done was to draw another red line. That is a proven arrow in his foreign policy quiver.

[guido911]

And there is this.

[Gaspar]

[AquaMan]

Got it. A person who has never served in public office does not get to complain about public servants. Now, I am sure your experience as an Oklahoma governor gives you the right to post this about Fallin: "Biggest freakin' loser governor we have ever had."

And I assume you have never criticized W, or any other republican because you "show respect for others positions in life."  

Keep them coming...



edited because I cannot believe what you posted.

Gotcha! Used you own logic derived from your arguments about military service.

If I spent my days obsessing with Fallin you might have some weak basis.I don't and you don't.

[AquaMan]

This is what done looks like to someone with ODS. It's like quitting cigarettes. They do it all the time.

This is a dead thread. All that's left is the sniping and lifes too short. Carry on.

[Conan71]

Katrina was much more complex for Bush.

FEMA had really strong leadership that had performed well for many Presidents. They were truly a standout agency for the Federal government.

Bush created Homeland Security and decided to put FEMA under it's umbrella which downgraded the status of FEMA officials. Almost all of the top people immediately quit. Bush then assigned people who had no clue as to handling a disaster. "Heck of a job, Brownie" (Mark Brown) came from being the executive director of a horse breed association to being in charge of FEMA. His only government experience was working as Assistant to the City Manager for Edmond, Oklahoma.

Bush screwed it up so many ways before the disaster happened, then was criticized heavily for a lack of action or empathy afterward, that I believe the criticism was justified.

Katrina exposed what a cluster FEMA became, very true.

However, the real anger toward Bush stemmed from him taking five days or how ever long it was before he set foot in the area, rather choosing to fly over the devastation in the hours after the storm had moved on.  In the meantime, celebrities like Sean Penn had descended on the area.  People thought Bush was ignoring the situation when in reality, a disaster zone of that magnitude is no place for photo ops in the hours after a storm like that.  There's simply no way to secure the area and the media posse that follows the president would have snarled attempts to rescue people and bring aid.

And yes, I would defend Obama similarly, if such a catastrophe should happen under his watch.

Now, back to the Ukraine, I've grown used to his tepid responses on international issues, so really MH17 is a non-issue.  Business as usual in the Obama camp.  In 20-30 years after all the memoirs and biographies of insiders are written, I don't think history will be very kind to the Obama administration.

[Ed W]

Katrina exposed what a cluster FEMA became, very true.

However, the real anger toward Bush stemmed from him taking five days or how ever long it was before he set foot in the area, rather choosing to fly over the devastation in the hours after the storm had moved on.  In the meantime, celebrities like Sean Penn had descended on the area.  People thought Bush was ignoring the situation when in reality, a disaster zone of that magnitude is no place for photo ops in the hours after a storm like that.  There's simply no way to secure the area and the media posse that follows the president would have snarled attempts to rescue people and bring aid.

And yes, I would defend Obama similarly, if such a catastrophe should happen under his watch.

Now, back to the Ukraine, I've grown used to his tepid responses on international issues, so really MH17 is a non-issue.  Business as usual in the Obama camp.  In 20-30 years after all the memoirs and biographies of insiders are written, I don't think history will be very kind to the Obama administration.

I was a Salvation Army volunteer in OKC after the bombing. When President Clinton came to town, everything stopped due to his security arrangements. It was the same at the World Trade Center when Bush came to NYC. In all honesty, it's better for politicians to stay away if their presence interferes with rescue and recovery.

And no one really gives a rat's adze about Sean Penn.

[Gaspar]

I was a Salvation Army volunteer in OKC after the bombing. When President Clinton came to town, everything stopped due to his security arrangements. It was the same at the World Trade Center when Bush came to NYC. In all honesty, it's better for politicians to stay away if their presence interferes with rescue and recovery.

And no one really gives a rat's adze about Sean Penn.

Obama heads to Seattle for another fundraiser on Tuesday.  I-90 is already down to one lane and the local stations are warning that traffic will be completely closed down for everything but the westbound lane during the president's trip to the massive estate of Jim Sinegal for a closed event with billionaire donors.


He then heads to San Francisco for two fundraisers where they are issuing similar traffic warnings.  He and Nancy Pelosi will meet at the mansion of George Marcus, for cocktails and a private dinner.

The road closures won't really affect the commute of his donor community, just the little people who have to go to jobs and stuff.

[RecycleMichael]

Downloading and posting pictures of private homes where the President is going to?

Really?

You need a hobby of something besides whining about Obama.

[Conan71]

Obama heads to Seattle for another fundraiser on Tuesday.  I-90 is already down to one lane and the local stations are warning that traffic will be completely closed down for everything but the westbound lane during the president's trip to the massive estate of Jim Sinegal for a closed event with billionaire donors.

Probably some evil Microsoft execs who are in the process of jettisoning thousands and thousands of MS employees and untold numbers of "contractors".

[Gaspar]

Probably some evil Microsoft execs who are in the process of jettisoning thousands and thousands of MS employees and untold numbers of "contractors".

No, just the former CEO of Costco, and a residential real-estate mogul.

[Hoss]

You guys should read this:

From Tip O'Neil's autobiography:

"All the stories about Reagan`s working only three or four hours a day made me wonder who was really in charge in the White House. I`ll never forget that summer day in 1983 when Flight 007, the Korean airliner, was shot down by the Soviets. I was on Cape Cod, where Secretary of State George Shultz called me at 7 in the morning. After telling me what had happened, he said he was sending down a plane to bring me to Washington for an emergency meeting at the White House.

``I`ll be ready,`` I said. ``But what does the President think about this?``

``He`s still asleep,`` said Shultz. ``He doesn`t know about it yet.``

``You`ve got to be kidding,`` I said. ``You mean you`re calling me before you`ve even notified the President?``

``We`ll tell him when he wakes up,`` said Shultz. To me, that comment spoke volumes."

I think I know who sounds more disengaged here.  Saint Ronny...but that's just my opinion.

[heironymouspasparagus]

You guys should read this:

From Tip O'Neil's autobiography:

"All the stories about Reagan`s working only three or four hours a day made me wonder who was really in charge in the White House. I`ll never forget that summer day in 1983 when Flight 007, the Korean airliner, was shot down by the Soviets. I was on Cape Cod, where Secretary of State George Shultz called me at 7 in the morning. After telling me what had happened, he said he was sending down a plane to bring me to Washington for an emergency meeting at the White House.

``I`ll be ready,`` I said. ``But what does the President think about this?``

``He`s still asleep,`` said Shultz. ``He doesn`t know about it yet.``

``You`ve got to be kidding,`` I said. ``You mean you`re calling me before you`ve even notified the President?``

``We`ll tell him when he wakes up,`` said Shultz. To me, that comment spoke volumes."

I think I know who sounds more disengaged here.  Saint Ronny...but that's just my opinion the facts.

Fixed it...


Alzheimer's messes with your head something fierce...and if you are President, well, that probably isn't an optimal solution.  But, hey, at least HE was elected!

[Red Arrow]

I think I know who sounds more disengaged here.  Saint Ronny...but that's just my opinion.

If Reagan had been really paying attention, the thud of the wreckage hitting the ground would have wakened him.

I am inclined to blame his staying asleep on his staff.