Dashcam Tampering

[Vashta Nerada]

Denton used a shotgun to beat Mathews with "unlawful and felonious intent," prosecutors claim in the charges. He demonstrated a "conscious disregard" for the safety of other law enforcement officers and created a "situation of unreasonable risk" by striking a uniformed Nowata police officer and Mathews with the end of a shotgun.

This is how he behaves when he KNOWS there are cameras?
Pay attention to who fights to keep him employed as a cop.

[Vashta Nerada]

Police Destroyed Video of Jail Death
http://www.krmg.com/ap/ap/oklahoma/cherokee-county-fights-ruling-on-jail-altercation-/nntG4/

[cannon_fodder]

Pay attention to who fights to keep him employed as a cop.

That'd be the FOP. Owasso fired him, the Union brought on binding arbitration and he was reinstated with back pay plus interest. Owasso JUST got done paying the guy like $300,000 and he does this. (Can you imagine a video of a teacher abusing a child and getting reinstated with back pay? But tell me more about how the teacher's unions are destroying America...)

I hope Owasso tries to sue him for their money back. God knows under what theory, but they will certainly lose more money than $300k now. This guy has cost Owasso millions of dollars. And he won't be punished at all.

[Vashta Nerada]

That'd be the FOP. Owasso fired him, the Union brought on binding arbitration and he was reinstated with back pay plus interest. Owasso JUST got done paying the guy like $300,000 and he does this. (Can you imagine a video of a teacher abusing a child and getting reinstated with back pay? But tell me more about how the teacher's unions are destroying America...)

I hope Owasso tries to sue him for their money back. God knows under what theory, but they will certainly lose more money than $300k now. This guy has cost Owasso millions of dollars. And he won't be punished at all.

[Breadburner]

Do you know anything about the tampering of SPAM cans......

[patric]

So do you record his height from counting mini-blind leaves?
Very out-of-the ordinary arrest mugshot.

[Vashta Nerada]

Owasso dirtbag cop sued the city he was victimizing for violating his rights; a judge said nuh-uhh.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/federal-judge-rules-against-suspended-owasso-police-officer-in-civil/article_ec023c08-6809-52a6-b787-96ccca4205d7.html

[Vashta Nerada]

This is what "trying to get in front of a fleeing car so you can justify using your weapon" looks like:


Video shows a cop chasing a car driven by a teen, tries to step in front of fleeing car, failing that...shoots him in the back.  When he claims self defense a prosecutor says "thats all I need to hear"

https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/28/the-shooting-of-zachary-hammond-is-this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtrQQaB9fw0



Another officer on the scene, Anthony Moon, who resigned shortly after the shooting, purportedly raised Hammond's lifeless hand and gave it a "celebratory high-five."
Hammond's autopsy revealed that the teen was shot in the back of his left shoulder and his side.
According to the FBI, a witness has recently come forward describing officers planting evidence under Hammond's body and high-fiving his dead hand after the shooting.

A Prosecutor's Guide To Not Prosecuting A Cop Who Killed Someone
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-prosecutions-zachary-hammond_562fee51e4b00aa54a4bb834

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-dashcam-video-released-shows-cop-murder-zachary-hammond/

[cannon_fodder]

Not sure how to say this without sounding like a jerk...

But maybe you need to go start a blog or Facebook page that just posts bad behavior by cops over and over and over and over and over in an endless loop.

I generally agree with you. Police need to show more restraint, citizens rights need to be better respected, police and prosecutors do circle the wagons. And yes, it happens way WAY too often.

But this is a broken record in two or three threads.

Maybe we can limit it to Oklahoma related ones?

Dunno... but it isn't fostering any meaningful discussion anymore.

[Vashta Nerada]

Not sure how to say this without sounding like a jerk...

Youre not a jerk, but you are a mirror.

You bring up an interresting question; Is corruption and abuse so ubiquitous that society is beginning to feel the best way to deal with it is to ignore it?
Its somewhat reminiscent of the playground advice teachers gave bullied kids.  Does that really work?




Yesterday yet another new felony was created, increasing from a misdemenor the penalty for assaulting an off-duty cop, jailer, game warden, etc.
On the surface, that doesnt sound like a terrible idea, but listen to the reasoning behind it and you see a world that isnt even close to reality:

"The way the (misdemeanor) law was written gave criminals an incentive to pursue law enforcement officers in their personal lives," said Rep. Mike Sanders, R-Kingfisher.
"It is a hardened criminal that looks to go after law enforcement. Especially in light of the continued assault on our law enforcement officers nationally, it is necessary to have the proper laws in place to prosecute these criminals appropriately," Sanders said."

No law enforcement numbers support that. Even the FBI shows the opposite to be true, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/10/29/fbi-data-show-assaults-on-police-officers-dropped-sharply-in-2014/  but the unions lay the BS on thick.

[Vashta Nerada]

Police Destroyed Surveillance Video Showing Moments That Led Up to Deadly Shooting
"We had no idea they were going to sit there and delete files," he said. "I mean we were just trying to help the police officers."
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/06/chicago-police-accused-of-deleting-video-threatening-witnesses-after-teens-execution/

...and tampered with others
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-laquan-mcdonald-new-videos-met-20151125-story.html

Questions Surround Lack of Audio on New Footage of Laquan McDonald Shooting
https://news.vice.com/article/questions-surround-lack-of-audio-on-new-footage-of-laquan-mcdonald-shooting

Police Have No Idea How Laquan McDonald Footage Vanished Right After They Watched It
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/laquan-mcdonald-burger-king-video_5655c5abe4b072e9d1c1469b



"The fact that the police entered the Burger King restaurant without a warrant or a subpoena, accessed the system upon demanding the password, and then left and that 86 minutes or so of video is missing from all 11 cameras is something that gave us a great deal of concern."

"The irony is, though, that the Burger King surveillance video was running while the officer erased them. And so there's a videotape of the officer erasing the video."

[patric]

Police Destroyed Surveillance Video Showing Moments That Led Up to Deadly Shooting
"We had no idea they were going to sit there and delete files," he said. "I mean we were just trying to help the police officers."

This reporter rips local media for their habit of credulously reporting police-union talking points:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/protesting-the-corrupt-system-that-killed-laquan-mcdonald/417723/

[Vashta Nerada]

"Now, the (Burger King) video would not have shown the actual shooting, but it would have shown the events leading up to the shooting and the police interaction with the witnesses following the shooting," he added. "There is no credible explanation for why this video is missing."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/laquan-mcdonald-burger-king-video_5655c5abe4b072e9d1c1469b



How Chicago tried to cover up a police execution
http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/




Deleting surveillance video is the new thing.....
NYPD Cops Return to Restaurant to Delete Video After Making Aggressive Arrests
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/11/nypd-cops-return-to-restaurant-to-delete-video-after-making-aggressive-arrests/

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not sure how to say this without sounding like a jerk...

But maybe you need to go start a blog or Facebook page that just posts bad behavior by cops over and over and over and over and over in an endless loop.

I generally agree with you. Police need to show more restraint, citizens rights need to be better respected, police and prosecutors do circle the wagons. And yes, it happens way WAY too often.

But this is a broken record in two or three threads.

Maybe we can limit it to Oklahoma related ones?

Dunno... but it isn't fostering any meaningful discussion anymore.

Not a jerk at all.  You are highlighting a point - lack of interest on so many topics, by most people, more concerned about day to day survival than somewhat abstract events that rarely impinge on their lives.  People letting today's urgency take over tomorrow's critical !!  Only 50 or so cops a year killed in the line of duty affecting family and friends - a relatively small number in the entire population.  1,000 or so killed by cops every year, again affecting family and friends - still a relatively small number in the overall scheme of things.  Tough to stay excited for more than "sound bite moments" when it doesn't directly touch.

I have ranted for 12 years about the insanity and just flat out wrongness of going into Iraq in 2003 to get rid of Saddam Hussein...with all the accompanying undesirable side effects.  (Dead babies - our kids, squandered wealth and goodwill, tens of thousands wounded)  It has cost me considerably in this state in great part due to the lack of education but mostly lack of interest by most people!!  But the last few months, we see the extremist right wing starting to make noises about how maybe getting rid of him wasn't such a great idea.  Ted Cruz the most recent one in the last couple of days.  Will Smith said it best in I, Robot... "Ya know,...somehow I told you so just doesn't quite say it..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBgeCZW3upg


And for decades have been a strong advocate of environmental concerns/issues.  Last decade or so, I have just kinda given up on that one - we are hell-bent for leather to just go right on down the tubes with no thought or consideration for our kids, grandkids, and other future generations!  Sad.


Last night, I watched the Holtzclaw verdict and thought how good it was that justice was served.  And then thought of the friends whose lives have been so badly disrupted by Mark Allen Eaton (another rant I have been making for a while) where the corruption, cronyism, and 'good ole boy' back room deal making by Tulsa County Tim Harris DA office, and the judge that wouldn't accept his plea, has let off a self confessed attempted murderer!!


So the question is, how do ya keep a topic in front of people's awareness zone, without it becoming tiresome and repetitive??  I sure haven't figured it out.  Probably can't be done unless it becomes so egregious, stacked on top of many other egregious events, that if finally impinges on people's sense of right and fair play.  We are still waiting on that with the whole transfer of wealth thing destroying the middle class in this country.  And rebuilding the capital building, while letting our kids suffer - literally - in today's economic reality.


Maybe consolidate onto one thread...?

I'm out of ideas for now....

[Vashta Nerada]

Last night, I watched the Holtzclaw verdict and thought how good it was that justice was served.  And then thought of the friends whose lives have been so badly disrupted by Mark Allen Eaton (another rant I have been making for a while) where the corruption, cronyism, and 'good ole boy' back room deal making by Tulsa County Tim Harris DA office, and the judge that wouldn't accept his plea, has let off a self confessed attempted murderer!!

Do you have a thread about Eaton?