Ban Food Trucks?

[davideinstein]

I'll just withhold my opinion from here on out on local policy if the response is going to be an attack on my job. That's out of line.

It doesn't directly effect us because the local food joints around me on Boston kicked them out of the area before we even got here. They could post up right in front of our shop and it doesn't change the fact no one in town can beat our delivery times which is our bread and butter. We could seriously make a delivery to a business in the Brady on a Wednesday faster than they could walk to a food truck.

I am opposed to food trucks for a host of reasons, but I still go there and eat because it's good food and within current city policy. I just think they need to invest in longer vision of what downtown needs, which are store fronts and less parking lots. If you don't see my point, then I don't know what to tell you.

[davideinstein]

And as purely a matter of free-market economics, the owner of Hey Mambo! is just as free to purchase a food truck to go along with his fixed base operation or shut down his operation and go mobile.

In theory, if he shuts Hey Mambo! down and has a food truck, how is that helping Brady development/sustainability?

[davideinstein]

He's worried about the other brick and mortar stores around 

Absolutely am.

If we don't have Elote, Mods, LaSalle's and whatever else goes in next then the Deco isn't a destination location for lunch and we lose business because of it because the lunch crowd will start walking in another direction.

[Conan71]

In theory, if he shuts Hey Mambo! down and has a food truck, how is that helping Brady development/sustainability?

Certainly, you understand I'm not suggesting Scott should do that, but it is a prime location someone else would jump on pretty quick.  If not for a restaurant, possibly retail space.  The Brady is hot right now. 

My main point is this: Every single new restaurant that opens downtown becomes competition and dilutes the available money pool whether it's B & M or it has wheels on it.  A prime example is what happened to Back Alley with the opening of Rib Crib, Albert G's, Oklahoma Joes, as well as BurnCo moving closer to downtown.

Your (JJ's) model will thrive downtown because JJ's offers a convenience in service.  Who is to say that's not unfair to Arby's or any local places which don't offer freaky fast delivery?  Subway downtown (is there still one?) must literally be crapping their pants.  But, that's a company which is free to look at their competitors model and offer delivery as well as training employees on how to make a sandwich as quick as you do.  There's also the issue of quality ingredients they need to address, but I digress.

If Jimmy John's is delivering to The Brady, then by the logic that mobile operations are poaching from brick and mortar in that district, the same logic would apply to those delivering from outside The Brady into the district.  "Not fair" because JJ's, Mazzios, Papa John's, etc. didn't invest in a brick and mortar location there.

Understand, I'm not picking on you.  I'm simply saying no business is more sacrosanct than another.  The only way I'd get up in arms about the food truck revolution is if it were plainly obvious they were taking business by using predatory pricing to gain business, which based on multiple experiences related here, that's simply not happening.

Food trucks are really no more convenient nor quicker than any other short-order place in downtown.  If anything, destination events like Guthrie Green on Wednesdays brings more people downtown and even though they may not end up eating at a B & M place, they might walk past or see something they want to come back and try that evening or at a later time.  If lines and waits looked a bit long for me to wait only to then have to find some place to enjoy my food without spilling it on me, I have gone into a restaurant instead.

The whole idea is bringing more attention, traffic, and money to downtown.  I believe the food trucks are helping to do that.

[heironymouspasparagus]

The large parking lot from 1st to 2nd, between Elgin and Greenwood, would make a great 'food truck park' like what the OKC guy is talking about.  Little bit of park, little bit of picnic area, little bit of this, that and the other... would be a nice place for that.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Others celebrate what we disdain.... somewhere along the line, if many, many others are saying/doing/being one thing and one is doing another, don't ya think maybe that one should reevaluate....


http://www.saucemagazine.com/foodtruckfriday.php#.

[saintnicster]

Subway downtown (is there still one?) must literally be crapping their pants. 

From what I've heard from the GreenArch management, not really. A Subway is supposed to be one of the stores in the big retail space, alongside Leftys.

Why we need three Subway restaurants in the IDL is beyond me.

[sgrizzle]

From what I've heard from the GreenArch management, not really. A Subway is supposed to be one of the stores in the big retail space, alongside Leftys.

Why we need three Subway restaurants in the IDL is beyond me.

The two being two blocks apart is the one that confuses me.

[RecycleMichael]

City Council discussion of new food truck ordinances...

http://councildocs.tulsacouncil.org/SuperContainer/RawData//GY4ORVNT512201433342/14-212-2-redline.pdf?a=1

[nathanm]

Those changes seem completely unnecessary, especially the parts changing 'entrance' to 'property'. Who cares if a food truck is around the block from a competitor? Keeping them from parking right outside a restaurant's front door is reasonable. The proposed new rules seem to take it into protectionism to me.

[LeGenDz]

So does the mean no more food truck Wednesday considering they all technically circle around that "Lucky's on the Green" right in the middle of the block lol

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[heironymouspasparagus]

City Council discussion of new food truck ordinances...

http://councildocs.tulsacouncil.org/SuperContainer/RawData//GY4ORVNT512201433342/14-212-2-redline.pdf?a=1

Idiots.

[sgrizzle]

So does the mean no more food truck Wednesday considering they all technically circle around that "Lucky's on the Green" right in the middle of the block lol

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It also says you have to serve facing the sidewalk, but you can't draw enough of a crowd to clutter the sidewalk.

And yeah, if Lucky's says no, no FTW.

If Elliot said no, Blue Dome Festival might have to close too. They are parking the food trucks in the parking lot.

[Conan71]

It also says you have to serve facing the sidewalk, but you can't draw enough of a crowd to clutter the sidewalk.

And yeah, if Lucky's says no, no FTW.

If Elliot said no, Blue Dome Festival might have to close too. They are parking the food trucks in the parking lot.

Or an un-named city councilor who owns a couple of establishments in the Blue Dome.

I really don't see either one of them shutting down the food trucks.  The food truck festivals they've done have brought tons of people to the BD.

[saintnicster]

Or an un-named city councilor who owns a couple of establishments in the Blue Dome.

I really don't see either one of them shutting down the food trucks.  The food truck festivals they've done have brought tons of people to the BD.

Well, I sent a message raising my concerns. I doubt he'll see it, but we'll see.