Ban Food Trucks?

[saintnicster]

http://tulsa-ok.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=2011

Found the discussion about this (through no help from Blake, though).  Click "03" on the item list,

[dbacksfan 2.0]

I will say on the surface, this sounds like a good proposal. It's similar to what other cities are doing, especially the 300' distance requirement, and the notice of allowing within that distance that a food truck can operate with permission sounds good, and in the case of a special event, unless they are part of the vendor list and have a special event permit, they can't just set up next to the event.

It really sounds like Blake is working with a representative from the truck group that benefits all parties involved. Thought it was funny, that discussing QT's possible objections sounds like they are addressing the 8000lb gorilla in the room.

I must be off my meds saying that it sounds like they are attempting to do something logically.

[saintnicster]

I will say on the surface, this sounds like a good proposal. It's similar to what other cities are doing, especially the 300' distance requirement, and the notice of allowing within that distance that a food truck can operate with permission sounds good, and in the case of a special event, unless they are part of the vendor list and have a special event permit, they can't just set up next to the event.

It really sounds like Blake is working with a representative from the truck group that benefits all parties involved. Thought it was funny, that discussing QT's possible objections sounds like they are addressing the 8000lb gorilla in the room.

I must be off my meds saying that it sounds like they are attempting to do something logically.

After watching it, the biggest issue I have is that B&M owners still have direct control over a truck that they have no financial investment in.  If a store/owner doesn't like or want the truck nearby, then they say no.  It doesn't matter if the other 9 out of 10 of the other stores are OK with it, with one level of decent, the truck has to go.

Heck, here's another scenario.  A truck is parked in a space for several year, is an established part of a neighborhood, a "model citizen", whatever, with all permissions from the stuff around them.  Next thing they know, a new restaurant is opened in that area that is either a direct competitor, or just doesn't like food trucks.  Because of this new person, they can be kicked out of the area.  Why should this be allowed?

I feel like if we're going to have this 300' restriction, then the B&M owner/operator needs to defend _why_ they don't want the truck in that space. The truck owners need a chance to defend themselves, not just be forced to capitulate because "they spent less money" starting up their business.

Can we at least _pretend_ that the wealthier individuals don't have automatic priority over others?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Can we at least _pretend_ that the wealthier individuals don't have automatic priority over others?

No.  We can't.  Why change now??

[Conan71]

After watching it, the biggest issue I have is that B&M owners still have direct control over a truck that they have no financial investment in.  If a store/owner doesn't like or want the truck nearby, then they say no.  It doesn't matter if the other 9 out of 10 of the other stores are OK with it, with one level of decent, the truck has to go.

Heck, here's another scenario.  A truck is parked in a space for several year, is an established part of a neighborhood, a "model citizen", whatever, with all permissions from the stuff around them.  Next thing they know, a new restaurant is opened in that area that is either a direct competitor, or just doesn't like food trucks.  Because of this new person, they can be kicked out of the area.  Why should this be allowed?

I feel like if we're going to have this 300' restriction, then the B&M owner/operator needs to defend _why_ they don't want the truck in that space. The truck owners need a chance to defend themselves, not just be forced to capitulate because "they spent less money" starting up their business.

Can we at least _pretend_ that the wealthier individuals don't have automatic priority over others?

This could get interesting as a case of conflict-of-interest, here's why:

The owners of Arnie's have allowed the Dog House food truck to set up in the Blue Dome building parking lot that they own.  I believe that is within 300 feet of White Flag and possibly Joe Momma's.

If the management (*cough* Blake Ewing *cough*) of either of those two eateries objected to the Dog House setting up there, he could no longer do so.

I've always thought of Blake as having quite a bit of integrity, so I'd be somewhere between surprised and shocked if that actually went down.

[AquaMan]

Doesnt the "private property" make a difference?

[hello]

This could get interesting as a case of conflict-of-interest, here's why:

The owners of Arnie's have allowed the Dog House food truck to set up in the Blue Dome building parking lot that they own.  I believe that is within 300 feet of White Flag and possibly Joe Momma's.

If the management (*cough* Blake Ewing *cough*) of either of those two eateries objected to the Dog House setting up there, he could no longer do so.

I've always thought of Blake as having quite a bit of integrity, so I'd be somewhere between surprised and shocked if that actually went down.

Per Ewing the owner of the Doghouse helped with this proposal (assuming that there weren't big changes made afterwards) and I find it hard to believe that Josh doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to the food trucks. He is a big proponent of them, organizing many events such as the K-Dub and Eat Street, to showcase food trucks and working to get food truck courts in Tulsa along Riverside.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Per Ewing the owner of the Doghouse helped with this proposal (assuming that there weren't big changes made afterwards) and I find it hard to believe that Josh doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to the food trucks. He is a big proponent of them, organizing many events such as the K-Dub and Eat Street, to showcase food trucks and working to get food truck courts in Tulsa along Riverside.

Josh definitely won't have a problem getting permission to put his truck where he wants around Blue Dome.  He is a great. 

[Conan71]

Per Ewing the owner of the Doghouse helped with this proposal (assuming that there weren't big changes made afterwards) and I find it hard to believe that Josh doesn't know what he's talking about with regards to the food trucks. He is a big proponent of them, organizing many events such as the K-Dub and Eat Street, to showcase food trucks and working to get food truck courts in Tulsa along Riverside.

I refer to Josh as the "Food Truck Wrangler".  He helped me get food trucks for an event a couple of years ago.  I second Sheen's assessment of him.

[rdj]

Doesn't Blake own a food truck?  Back Alley BBQ?

[Cats Cats Cats]

Doesn't Blake own a food truck?  Back Alley BBQ?

There isn't a food truck.

I have heard stories of a food truck person that has gotten physically violent with female bartenders.  I don't know if this is related or not.  Josh is the food truck king btw.  Not the wrangler.

[rdj]

I was basing that off this:

"Ewing said there are plans to expand the patio and have regular food trucks, including the new Back Alley Blues and BBQ food truck, bringing back the food still smoked in the old location now occupied by White Flag, a gourmet burger restaurant."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/music/the-fur-shop-venue-revived-by-blake-ewing-to-celebrate/article_aa4067bd-6d85-523f-b083-7a32cfe30ee1.html?mode=jqm&_dc=725552119081.84

[Cats Cats Cats]

I was basing that off this:

"Ewing said there are plans to expand the patio and have regular food trucks, including the new Back Alley Blues and BBQ food truck, bringing back the food still smoked in the old location now occupied by White Flag, a gourmet burger restaurant."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/music/the-fur-shop-venue-revived-by-blake-ewing-to-celebrate/article_aa4067bd-6d85-523f-b083-7a32cfe30ee1.html?mode=jqm&_dc=725552119081.84

It doesn't exist now but could.
Waiting on the city for the patio.

[sgrizzle]

Food Truck ordinance pulled by Blake.

[saintnicster]

Food Truck ordinance pulled by Blake.

Specifically - https://www.facebook.com/a.blake.ewing/posts/559713377482388

Dear Tulsa, I've pulled the food truck ordinance from consideration and am working to schedule a food truck town hall where we can discuss any and all issues involving food trucks and their continued success in Tulsa. Please stay tuned for more information. I'll post it here when we have the details nailed down. Thanks for being so passionate about our great city. A little open minded discussion should go a long way.