Crybaby Hill Proposal

[BKDotCom]

And an EDIT:  It appears you might have been asking if there is an explanation on the plaza, not for yourself.  Anyways, carry on.   

I attempted to make a funny.  I failed.
I thought "why's it called crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold.   Instead:  crickets and scorn.   

[Conan71]

crickets and scorn.   

Hmmm, either a punk rock band name or a snarky appetizer item at a gastropub.  Me likey!

[BKDotCom]

Hmmm, either a punk rock band name or a snarky appetizer item at a gastropub.  Me likey!

Comedy success   

[TheArtist]

I attempted to make a funny.  I failed.
I thought "why's it called crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold.   Instead:  crickets and scorn.   

Well ok, the laughs on me. Till I read this post I didn't catch the misspelling.     Purhaps I am parshally dislektic or sumthing.

[carltonplace]

What do the people that live in that area think about their neighborhood being used at Tulsa Tough?

Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.

[Conan71]

Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.

For as many people who get inconvenienced for our entertainment for a whole day, it's incredible how they tolerate and support the race in Riverview.  The high point for me was driving the pace car in the first two races on Sunday this year.  I never thought I'd lead a crit on Crybaby Hill from start to finish and here I did it twice

[Bamboo World]

I attempted to make a funny.  I failed.
I thought "why's it called crybaby hill" was a semi-common question.
This subject was originally "Caybaby Hill Proposal"
I thought combining the two would be comedy gold.   Instead:  crickets and scorn.   

I understood your joke because I noticed the misspelled subject line.  So, it wasn't lost on me.

But having a written explanation about the name of the hill worked into the site design might be a good idea.  Since around 1918, that island in Lawton Avenue has been known as Cedar Spring Park, and I have no idea why.  The area was once called Horsley Hill, then later re-named Norvell Park.     

[Bamboo World]

Proposal is for a small plaza at Riverside and Lawton

Still in proposal and concept phases. Riverview residents are driving the project.

http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/cry-baby-hill-neighborhood-planning-seats-sign-storm-water-relief/article_a069f882-0c4a-5363-b3a5-852586fbbfe4.html?mode=jqm

The curb cut should be farther down the hill to catch the stormwater runoff, I think.  There's a low spot in the pavement where water runs across Lawton toward the island.  That would be the best location for the curb cut.

For the walk parallel to Riverside, I'd prefer concrete to bricks or pavers.

[Bamboo World]

Mostly positive. Tulsa Tough (especially Malcolm) is very involved with the neighborhood, they attend our meetings, they listen to and work to resolve complaints and they weigh recommendations. After the last race they had Crybaby hill cleaned of trash, had power washed the street and had laid sod on several of the residents' homes by the time I ran by at 10AM the next morning. There were 40 people at our last meeting (obviously a small subsection of the total number of residents) and only 1 person had a complaint and it was about someone blocking his drive - a valid complaint. Everyone else was positive to enthusiastic about the race and proud to be able to host it in our hood.

Over the years, the Tulsa Tough crowds seem to be rude and disrespectful of property.  However, this year I cleaned up less trash on my street than in previous years.

[Conan71]

Over the years, the Tulsa Tough crowds seem to be rude and disrespectful of property.  However, this year I cleaned up less trash on my street than in previous years.

Really?  I'd think most people appreciate we are merely guests and bad behavior could get us banished from the hill.  I know there's a lot of peer pressure to prevent it.  I've seen people dragged off the hill for dangerous and or overly disrespectful behavior.

[sgrizzle]

Like Godwin's Law, the more people you have, the greater the probability of people being donkey hats.

[Conan71]

Like Godwin's Law, the more people you have, the greater the probability of people being donkey hats.

Although, as Boo noted, less trash this year than in years past, yet, by all accounts more people on the hill.  the less trash issue may have more to do with the organizers trying to keep this venue part of the Tulsa Tough experience and mitigating any damage and litter as quick as possible.  We are trying to talk RM into loaning us recycle bins to help with the mess next year to make it even better.

I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on. 

That was the point I was trying to make in my reply to Boo: I believe the "real" cycling enthusiasts recognize the delicate balance in keeping neighbors happy, so I suspect it's the outlying asshats who create what few problems I hear with residents.

[Red Arrow]

I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on.  

Reminds me of "the Bog" at Watkins Glen Gran Prix in the 70s.  

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/bus-bog-and-racing-30-year-old-mystery

[guido911]

Although, as Boo noted, less trash this year than in years past, yet, by all accounts more people on the hill.  the less trash issue may have more to do with the organizers trying to keep this venue part of the Tulsa Tough experience and mitigating any damage and litter as quick as possible.  We are trying to talk RM into loaning us recycle bins to help with the mess next year to make it even better.

I suspect the event has gained enough notoriety that Crybaby Hill is becoming like the "Snake Pit" in the infield had become at the Indy 500 by the early 1980's. People heard there was a big party, but had no idea there was even a race going on.  

That was the point I was trying to make in my reply to Boo: I believe the "real" cycling enthusiasts recognize the delicate balance in keeping neighbors happy, so I suspect it's the outlying asshats who create what few problems I hear with residents.

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I was in the snake pit several times in the 80s. Not for the squeamish, or inexperienced partiers.  I took a date there once. ONCE



Here's a google search link. https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+pit+indy&espv=2&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=7cPhU6nOG4iGyATMi4K4DA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=643#imgdii=_

[Snowman]

The curb cut should be farther down the hill to catch the stormwater runoff, I think.  There's a low spot in the pavement where water runs across Lawton toward the island.  That would be the best location for the curb cut.

For the walk parallel to Riverside, I'd prefer concrete to bricks or pavers.

It looks like they are aiming for multiple small diversions with six or seven small curb cuts instead of one big one, if too much flows at once it will just tend to pull soil from the dirt or could lead to foundation issues for hardscaping.